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[union89]

So, I wonder if some of the voters in the Top 25 poll have a crush on Curry, or if they are sleeping at the wheel.  STILL, after losing to Plymouth State, Curry is getting 5 votes in the poll.  Plymouth State, 7-1, who beat DSPz, gets no votes, with a loss to Mt. Ida...

I know it is meaningless, but who are these people?   This means someone thinks a 6-1 Curry, with a loss to Plymouth State deserves to be in the top 25??  Yikes...Stripes...

Haha, Curry has 1 more point than Fisher... let's see that one on the field.


One observation about the top 25.  #13. Case Western.  They started the year ranked, thanks to an undefeated 2007 regular season and 1 win in the playoffs. They are 7-0 this year and gradually moving up as other teams fall off with losses.  Case's schedule is nothing spectacular, and they don't have a good history (mostly a .500 team the past 7-8 years) that wins votes like it would for a team like Ithaca, but here they are #13 eight weeks into the season.

Now, had RPI won their 1 playoff game vs TCNJ, maybe they would be getting some pollster love this year, but I doubt it would be that much. First off, RPI - win your friggen HOME playoff games! Secondly, where did this crush on CWR come from?

I was also thinking about Cortland in kind of the same way.  I mean,  what did they do last year (or this year) to put them that high up?  If Ithaca had beaten SJF would they be that high?  I guess the fact that they got beat so bad kind of speaks for itself.

Hmmmm, being the only team to beat both Rowan and Montclair State along with beating a pretty good Kean team looks really impressive to U89.  Two of those wins were also on the road.

Im just not that impressed with Rowan, Montclair or Kean really.  Has what theyve done really seperated themselves that much from what RPI and Ithaca has done?

U89 hates to admit it (being Shoes week and all), but U89 agrees with Gro......who has Case Western Reserve beaten??  CWR beat a very average Wooster team and that's it....

As far as Cortland goes, even in our Fan Poll they are far and away the #1 team in the East......U89 thinks that #8 for the best team in the region sounds about right in '08.

[lewdogg11]

So, I wonder if some of the voters in the Top 25 poll have a crush on Curry, or if they are sleeping at the wheel.  STILL, after losing to Plymouth State, Curry is getting 5 votes in the poll.  Plymouth State, 7-1, who beat DSPz, gets no votes, with a loss to Mt. Ida...

I know it is meaningless, but who are these people?   This means someone thinks a 6-1 Curry, with a loss to Plymouth State deserves to be in the top 25??  Yikes...Stripes...

Haha, Curry has 1 more point than Fisher... let's see that one on the field.

I have a hard time being so dismissive of a team that wins as many games as Curry does consistently.

When comparing Curry to Fisher--mid-season 2008, I just have to wonder if Curry would stand less of a chance than Hartwick--a team that had given up an average of 53 pts/game at the time they played SJFisher.

Dude, you just like getting a rise out of people.  Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  I can see an undefeated Curry getting a few votes...like 5, what they have now...but a 1 loss Curry team should not be on ANYONE's radar.

WPI should be getting more votes than Curry, both 1 loss teams.  WPI lost to undefeated RPI.  Curry lost to a team who lost to Mt. Ida, who lost to Utica 40-8...Come on now...

[dlippiel]

So, I wonder if some of the voters in the Top 25 poll have a crush on Curry, or if they are sleeping at the wheel.  STILL, after losing to Plymouth State, Curry is getting 5 votes in the poll.  Plymouth State, 7-1, who beat DSPz, gets no votes, with a loss to Mt. Ida...

I know it is meaningless, but who are these people?   This means someone thinks a 6-1 Curry, with a loss to Plymouth State deserves to be in the top 25??  Yikes...Stripes...

Haha, Curry has 1 more point than Fisher... let's see that one on the field.


One observation about the top 25.  #13. Case Western.  They started the year ranked, thanks to an undefeated 2007 regular season and 1 win in the playoffs. They are 7-0 this year and gradually moving up as other teams fall off with losses.  Case's schedule is nothing spectacular, and they don't have a good history (mostly a .500 team the past 7-8 years) that wins votes like it would for a team like Ithaca, but here they are #13 eight weeks into the season.

Now, had RPI won their 1 playoff game vs TCNJ, maybe they would be getting some pollster love this year, but I doubt it would be that much. First off, RPI - win your friggen HOME playoff games! Secondly, where did this crush on CWR come from?

I was also thinking about Cortland in kind of the same way.  I mean,  what did they do last year (or this year) to put them that high up?  If Ithaca had beaten SJF would they be that high?  I guess the fact that they got beat so bad kind of speaks for itself.

Hmmmm, being the only team to beat both Rowan and Montclair State along with beating a pretty good Kean team looks really impressive to U89.  Two of those wins were also on the road.

Im just not that impressed with Rowan, Montclair or Kean really.  Has what theyve done really seperated themselves that much from what RPI and Ithaca has done?

U89 hates to admit it (being Shoes week and all), but U89 agrees with Gro......who has Case Western Reserve beaten??  CWR beat a very average Wooster team and that's it....

As far as Cortland goes, even in our Fan Poll they are far and away the #1 team in the East......U89 thinks that #8 for the best team in the region sounds about right in '08.

Sounds about right to me. The RPI comment sounds right as well. They really needed to win the TCNJ game last year at home. That loss, I think, has hurt them this year, especially regarding any OOC games. I would actually like to see them ranked higher but I just don't think they deserve it. Case Western must have been showing something throughout the year. I guess one win in the playoffs can carry momentum into the following year. Remember Union was ranked #10 (PRESEASON) after beating Ithaca and losing a close one to Rowen the year before in the NCAA's. NCAA wins carry a lot of respect seemingly even for teams that don't have the respect that an Ithaca carries. Look at the Mules. This is only their second year of solid success and they have broken the top #5. I believe they won two games in the tourney last year?

[redswarm81]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others play good competition consistently.

By what definition was 1-1 Hartwick a good team when it played St. John Fisher--at St. John Fisher, a week after surrendering 69 points to Ithaca?

[dlippiel]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others play good competition consistently.

By what definition was 1-1 Hartwick a good team when it played St. John Fisher--at St. John Fisher, a week after surrendering 69 points to Ithaca?

To me they weren't and that is why they were not and still are not in the top #25. Hartwick still gets a ton of slack for their pathetic loss to Curry in the NCAA"S last year (and losing to WNEC earlier in the year). Slack that I think is well deserved but can begin to be lesson with an NCAA win against a quality opponent. Curry's lone NCAA win came against Hartwick who many felt was not a "good" representative of the E8. Hence Curry has yet to beat anyone at all that would stake a claim to them being considered deserving of any votes. I think it is clearly appropriate to dismiss them entirely.

[redswarm81]

I have a hard time being so dismissive of a team that wins as many games as Curry does consistently.

When comparing Curry to Fisher--mid-season 2008, I just have to wonder if Curry would stand less of a chance than Hartwick--a team that had given up an average of 53 pts/game at the time they played SJFisher.

Dude, you just like getting a rise out of people.  Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  I can see an undefeated Curry getting a few votes...like 5, what they have now...but a 1 loss Curry team should not be on ANYONE's radar.

WPI should be getting more votes than Curry, both 1 loss teams.  WPI lost to undefeated RPI.  Curry lost to a team who lost to Mt. Ida, who lost to Utica 40-8...Come on now...

If Hartwick lost 42-69 to Ithaca, who lost to SJFisher 6-37, then Hartwick would get KILLED by SJF, right?

[lewdogg11]

AppleJack, don't know if you looked ahead on the LLPPFF League but next week is the clash of the Titans, and you happen to catch me in the Chargers bye week.  No LT, no Gates...Argh!!!  Shoot, I coulda beat TDT this week with 3 guys...the timing is rough.  I totally may be starting Rudi Johnson!!!

['gro]

Re: Case

I think pollster don't want to be "wrong".  If a team starts off ranked, you keep them ranked (gro does this to an extent on the east fan poll).  I just see other teams that have been just as good as case not get as many votes.

[lewdogg11]

I have a hard time being so dismissive of a team that wins as many games as Curry does consistently.

When comparing Curry to Fisher--mid-season 2008, I just have to wonder if Curry would stand less of a chance than Hartwick--a team that had given up an average of 53 pts/game at the time they played SJFisher.

Dude, you just like getting a rise out of people.  Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  I can see an undefeated Curry getting a few votes...like 5, what they have now...but a 1 loss Curry team should not be on ANYONE's radar.

WPI should be getting more votes than Curry, both 1 loss teams.  WPI lost to undefeated RPI.  Curry lost to a team who lost to Mt. Ida, who lost to Utica 40-8...Come on now...

If Hartwick lost 42-69 to Ithaca, who lost to SJFisher 6-37, then Hartwick would get KILLED by SJF, right?

Wrong, I said Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  Curry blows.  The E8 is very competitive where any team can win on a given Sunday.  Curry SHOULD win 9 games a year in the NEPopWarnerFC.

[redswarm81]

I have a hard time being so dismissive of a team that wins as many games as Curry does consistently.

When comparing Curry to Fisher--mid-season 2008, I just have to wonder if Curry would stand less of a chance than Hartwick--a team that had given up an average of 53 pts/game at the time they played SJFisher.

Dude, you just like getting a rise out of people.  Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  I can see an undefeated Curry getting a few votes...like 5, what they have now...but a 1 loss Curry team should not be on ANYONE's radar.

WPI should be getting more votes than Curry, both 1 loss teams.  WPI lost to undefeated RPI.  Curry lost to a team who lost to Mt. Ida, who lost to Utica 40-8...Come on now...

If Hartwick lost 42-69 to Ithaca, who lost to SJFisher 6-37, then Hartwick would get KILLED by SJF, right?

Wrong, I said Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  Curry blows.  The E8 is very competitive where any team can win on a given Sunday.  Curry SHOULD win 9 games a year in the NEPopWarnerFC.

Look, I understand how you feel.  I really do.  But you are smart enough to recognize that the evidence doesn't completely support what you're saying.  First you said that it was certain Curry would lose to SJF because Curry lost to a team who lost to Utica, who . . .  Now you point out that any team can win on any given Saturday--and you're right about that.  I've said that more often than most PPers.

On one given Saturday last November Curry beat Hartwick, who earlier this year beat SJF.

I understand how you feel.  I just can't look past the evidence as easily as some people do, in order to conclude that Curry can't possibly beat Fisher.  I'm not the only one who looked at 1-1 Hartwick and concluded they couldn't possibly beat Fisher.

[Jonny Utah]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

[dlippiel]

I have a hard time being so dismissive of a team that wins as many games as Curry does consistently.

When comparing Curry to Fisher--mid-season 2008, I just have to wonder if Curry would stand less of a chance than Hartwick--a team that had given up an average of 53 pts/game at the time they played SJFisher.

Dude, you just like getting a rise out of people.  Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  I can see an undefeated Curry getting a few votes...like 5, what they have now...but a 1 loss Curry team should not be on ANYONE's radar.

WPI should be getting more votes than Curry, both 1 loss teams.  WPI lost to undefeated RPI.  Curry lost to a team who lost to Mt. Ida, who lost to Utica 40-8...Come on now...

If Hartwick lost 42-69 to Ithaca, who lost to SJFisher 6-37, then Hartwick would get KILLED by SJF, right?

Wrong, I said Curry would get KILLED by SJF.  Curry blows.  The E8 is very competitive where any team can win on a given Sunday.  Curry SHOULD win 9 games a year in the NEPopWarnerFC.

Look, I understand how you feel.  I really do.  But you are smart enough to recognize that the evidence doesn't completely support what you're saying.  First you said that it was certain Curry would lose to SJF because Curry lost to a team who lost to Utica, who . . .  Now you point out that any team can win on any given Saturday--and you're right about that.  I've said that more often than most PPers.

On one given Saturday last November Curry beat Hartwick, who earlier this year beat SJF.

I understand how you feel.  I just can't look past the evidence as easily as some people do, in order to conclude that Curry can't possibly beat Fisher.  I'm not the only one who looked at 1-1 Hartwick and concluded they couldn't possibly beat Fisher.

Obviously anything is possible and "on any given day....blah...blah..blah" but Curry college is simply not on SJF"S level and one would think on Wick's level. I give you something here that it is crazy how Wick could lose to a WNEC and a Curry yet beat a SJF two years running. I still don't care, Curry couldn't play with the big boys on any type of consistent basis. Wick can at times because they have a freakin awesome QB who is actually getting some NFL looks. Yet they are not deep, have a pretty poor defense, and are a two man team, but seem to have SJF'S #. Next year this will most likely be explained when Boltus & Phelan leave and Wick goes back to being Wick. Yet Curry does not have a Boltus & Phelan and play in arguably the weakest conference in all of Div 3.

[Pat Coleman]

JU -- Cortland has also played the best two teams in its conference. C'mon, dude, you gotta just once look at the whole picture.

[dlippiel]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

Well maybe they are not that much ahead of RPI, maybe your point is quite valid Utah. Yet with RPI's schedule and only one quality win (in my mind) against WPI. I think with RPI this comes up each year. If they started the season with teams other than Endicott and Utica we might not even be talking about this. Problem is we never find out about RPI until Union, Bart and sometimes not even until after those two. I thought they were going to smoke TCNJ last year and look what happened? They got beat at home by a team that I thought and many thought was not as good. I think with RPI many are guarded because they are always hard to read. For example say Union comes out and beats Springfield and Muhlenburg this year and is undefeated coming into the shoes game. They would be considered very solid with tons of potential and some solid victories to back that up. Yet RPI comes off a loss to TCNJ and only a victory over WPI so far, just not seeing much there...yet. We shall see!

[Jonny Utah]

JU -- Cortland has also played the best two teams in its conference. C'mon, dude, you gotta just once look at the whole picture.

Again, Im not that impressed with the best two teams in the conference this year.

But I guess with so many d3 teams the difference of 10 places in a poll isn't that much so I shouldn't be that critical.