FB: Liberty League

[redswarm81]

Look, I understand how you feel.  I really do.  But you are smart enough to recognize that the evidence doesn't completely support what you're saying.  First you said that it was certain Curry would lose to SJF because Curry lost to a team who lost to Utica, who . . .  Now you point out that any team can win on any given Saturday--and you're right about that.  I've said that more often than most PPers.

On one given Saturday last November Curry beat Hartwick, who earlier this year beat SJF.

I understand how you feel.  I just can't look past the evidence as easily as some people do, in order to conclude that Curry can't possibly beat Fisher.  I'm not the only one who looked at 1-1 Hartwick and concluded they couldn't possibly beat Fisher.

Obviously anything is possible and "on any given day....blah...blah..blah" but Curry college is simply not on SJF"S level and one would think on Wick's level. I give you something here that it is crazy how Wick could lose to a WNEC and a Curry yet beat a SJF two years running. I still don't care, Curry couldn't play with the big boys on any type of consistent basis. Wick can at times because they have a freakin awesome QB who is actually getting some NFL looks. Yet they are not deep, have a pretty poor defense, and are a two man team, but seem to have SJF'S #. Next year this will most likely be explained when Boltus & Phelan leave and Wick goes back to being Wick. Yet Curry does not have a Boltus & Phelan and play in arguably the weakest conference in all of Div 3.

Now who can argue with that? (Stay to the end--it's only 34 seconds)

. . . o-o-o-kay.  If that tells you that there's no way Curry could beat SJF, I sure as heck won't argue with you.

Last year after D-1 week 1, lots of poll voters said "Obviously Appalachian St. just beat Michigan, but Appalachian St. is simply not on Michigan's level."

[union89]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

My point is that RPI is underranked.....not Cortland overranked

[Jonny Utah]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

My point is that RPI is underranked.....not Cortland overranked

I wasn't talking to you jackass.

[Jonny Utah]

U89 you are right though.  After rethinking the whole thing, the d3 poll isn't like the d1 poll where lets say the #8 team (Florida) should crush the #20 team (BYU) on a neutral field.  There are just too many d3 teams to make it that accurate.

[union89]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

My point is that RPI is underranked.....not Cortland overranked

I wasn't talking to you jackass.

Ok fellow jackass....nobody ever seems to agree with you anymore...I figured I'd acknowledge your question........

[Pat Coleman]

I guess I don't get why it's considered so instructive to look at just one of seven games for the NJAC teams and two/three of the Liberty League teams' games. How does that make for a comprehensive analysis?

Cortland has played (and beaten) two teams that are better than anyone RPI has played so far. And I think it's reasonable to believe that Cortland will play three teams who are better than the second-best team RPI will face. (We'll stipulate that Hobart belongs in the group somewhere with Montclair and Rowan.)

[Jonny Utah]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

My point is that RPI is underranked.....not Cortland overranked

I wasn't talking to you jackass.

Ok fellow jackass....nobody ever seems to agree with you anymore...I figured I'd acknowledge your question........

Kidding of course, but in my own mind I am trying to think what will happen if Ithaca beats Cortland by 2-4 TDs and wins out.  I should keep my mouth shut as anything can happen in that game, but I just think Ithaca is a better team than Cortland and should beat them 30-14.

[redswarm81]

I guess I don't get why it's considered so instructive to look at just one of seven games for the NJAC teams and two/three of the Liberty League teams' games. How does that make for a comprehensive analysis?

Cortland has played (and beaten) two teams that are better than anyone RPI has played so far. And I think it's reasonable to believe that Cortland will play three teams who are better than the second-best team RPI will face. (We'll stipulate that Hobart belongs in the group somewhere with Montclair and Rowan.)

Cortland has beaten Rowan and Montclair St., who are better than WPI.
We'll stipulate that Hobart is somewhere in the group with Montclair and Rowan.

Then by implication we've stipulated that Hobart is better than WPI.  Does this get posted in the WPI locker room for Saturday's game?

[union89]

I guess I don't get why it's considered so instructive to look at just one of seven games for the NJAC teams and two/three of the Liberty League teams' games. How does that make for a comprehensive analysis?

Cortland has played (and beaten) two teams that are better than anyone RPI has played so far. And I think it's reasonable to believe that Cortland will play three teams who are better than the second-best team RPI will face. (We'll stipulate that Hobart belongs in the group somewhere with Montclair and Rowan.)

Cortland has beaten Rowan and Montclair St., who are better than WPI.
We'll stipulate that Hobart is somewhere in the group with Montclair and Rowan.

Then by implication we've stipulated that Hobart is better than WPI.  Does this get posted in the WPI locker room for Saturday's game?

Ok, I'll say it....I've seen WPI in person and Hobart on webcast.  Hobart is much better than WPI.....not so much because Hobart is fantastic, but rather WPI is a below average team.

I have been biting my tongue on that one for the past couple of weeks.

[Jonny Utah]

I guess I don't get why it's considered so instructive to look at just one of seven games for the NJAC teams and two/three of the Liberty League teams' games. How does that make for a comprehensive analysis?

Cortland has played (and beaten) two teams that are better than anyone RPI has played so far. And I think it's reasonable to believe that Cortland will play three teams who are better than the second-best team RPI will face. (We'll stipulate that Hobart belongs in the group somewhere with Montclair and Rowan.)

Yea your right but somewhere in the back of my mind I don't see the top (or bottom) NJAC teams being that much better than the top/bottom E8/LL temas.

Im going to go out and predict that NJAC teams will be losing to LL/E8/.....dare I say it.....an NEFC team in the playoffs/ECAC games this year.

[Pat Coleman]

I couldn't care less about ECAC games. They don't prove one thing to me. You never know who's coming to play and who's coming to mail it in.

[union89]

I couldn't care less about ECAC games. They don't prove one thing to me. You never know who's coming to play and who's coming to mail it in.

Agreed........

[Jonny Utah]

I couldn't care less about ECAC games. They don't prove one thing to me. You never know who's coming to play and who's coming to mail it in.

Agreed........

That is true. 

The only ones I might want to watch are the ones between teams who you know aren't going to make the NCAAs but would both love to prove something at the end of the season. 

[redswarm81]

I couldn't care less about ECAC games. They don't prove one thing to me. You never know who's coming to play and who's coming to mail it in.

I find it hard to believe that there are any teams that don't want to win as much as the next team, regardless of the stakes.

[AUPepBand]

I couldn't care less about ECAC games. They don't prove one thing to me. You never know who's coming to play and who's coming to mail it in.

ECAC games are a test of character...a good determinant of which teams "come to play" and which teams "mail it in." Of course, this is from Pep, a fan of Alfred, a perfect six-for-six in ECAC championships, with four during the past four years.  

AU Pep Band always comes to play!