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[redswarm81]

Perhaps Union should refuse to play in the post season if an alumnus thinks that the team might lose or suffer a letdown.     [/end sarcasm]

Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise, I remain skeptical that any team wants to win less than its opponents.

Why branch that off my response??  I'm not the one suggesting what you stated.  I actually agree with you.

I haven't yet ruled on your earlier objection, counselor.  Sit down. 

Obviously, YOU are not the alumnus advocating on behalf of those who don't want to play football.  Of course we agree.  99 out of every 100 football players agree with you.  I don't understand why that 100th player--including Union's once-starting tailback--wouldn't want to play.

When I said "Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise," I was using the "royal you."

[Frank Rossi]

As a Union fan I don't really want that game.....I could easily see Union coming out flat and uninterested while Curry would be pumped up for a second big regional win in as many years.

Dude, if that's the case, I would love to see them get another win....I just look at it as a letdown situation.

Dude, stop being such a clown.....where have I been negative here?  This is just you saying I'm negative and trying to stur up crap.  I try to give you the benefit of the doubt and let bygones be bygones, but you can't help yourself to start stuff up again.

Do you actually READ what you write??  I mean seriously?  The most frequent question I get asked at Union games these days is, "Who is that Union89 guy on the message boards?  What the hell is up his azz?"  

The quotes I pulled out are just from this thread.  There's a feature on here to read your own posts inside your profile -- take a day and re-read the last 1 1/2 months of your posts.  

[Frank Rossi]

Perhaps Union should refuse to play in the post season if an alumnus thinks that the team might lose or suffer a letdown.     [/end sarcasm]

Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise, I remain skeptical that any team wants to win less than its opponents.

Why branch that off my response??  I'm not the one suggesting what you stated.  I actually agree with you.

I haven't yet ruled on your earlier objection, counselor.  Sit down. 

Obviously, YOU are not the alumnus advocating on behalf of those who don't want to play football.  Of course we agree.  99 out of every 100 football players agree with you.  I don't understand why that 100th player--including Union's once-starting tailback--wouldn't want to play.

When I said "Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise," I was using the "royal you."

I ain't no stinkin' royalty.  Yous must be talkin' about the other royal pain in de azz.

[union89]

Perhaps Union should refuse to play in the post season if an alumnus thinks that the team might lose or suffer a letdown.     [/end sarcasm]

Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise, I remain skeptical that any team wants to win less than its opponents.

Why branch that off my response??  I'm not the one suggesting what you stated.  I actually agree with you.

I haven't yet ruled on your earlier objection, counselor.  Sit down. 

Obviously, YOU are not the alumnus advocating on behalf of those who don't want to play football.  Of course we agree.  99 out of every 100 football players agree with you.  I don't understand why that 100th player--including Union's once-starting tailback--wouldn't want to play.

When I said "Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise," I was using the "royal you."

Back then, Union was pretty accustomed to going to the NCAA's (a Stagg Bowl loss followed by 2 OT losses to Ithaca).  If you are on the fence and hopeful of an NCAA bid, can't you see why an ECAC bid would be a letdown?  I voted to play the game, but I can certainly see how getting an invite to an ECAC game on Sunday night when you were hoping for an invite to the big dance is a letdown.

Keep in mind, back then there were no AQ's....16 bids, pretty much all at large...

[union89]

As a Union fan I don't really want that game.....I could easily see Union coming out flat and uninterested while Curry would be pumped up for a second big regional win in as many years.

Dude, if that's the case, I would love to see them get another win....I just look at it as a letdown situation.

Dude, stop being such a clown.....where have I been negative here?  This is just you saying I'm negative and trying to stur up crap.  I try to give you the benefit of the doubt and let bygones be bygones, but you can't help yourself to start stuff up again.

Do you actually READ what you write??  I mean seriously?  The most frequent question I get asked at Union games these days is, "Who is that Union89 guy on the message boards?  What the hell is up his azz?"  

The quotes I pulled out are just from this thread.  There's a feature on here to read your own posts inside your profile -- take a day and re-read the last 1 1/2 months of your posts.  

And I don't view those as negative!!  An ECAC bid is a letdown for any team hoping for a bid to the NCAA tournament.  How often do sportswriters talk of letdowns when basketball teams go to the NIT's instead of the NCAA's??  Same thing....how that's negative is a figment of your twisted mind.

You know what I think of you and I know what you think of me....let's just agree to ignore each other.

[redswarm81]

Perhaps Union should refuse to play in the post season if an alumnus thinks that the team might lose or suffer a letdown.     [/end sarcasm]

Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise, I remain skeptical that any team wants to win less than its opponents.

Why branch that off my response??  I'm not the one suggesting what you stated.  I actually agree with you.

I haven't yet ruled on your earlier objection, counselor.  Sit down. 

Obviously, YOU are not the alumnus advocating on behalf of those who don't want to play football.  Of course we agree.  99 out of every 100 football players agree with you.  I don't understand why that 100th player--including Union's once-starting tailback--wouldn't want to play.

When I said "Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise," I was using the "royal you."

Back then, Union was pretty accustomed to going to the NCAA's (a Stagg Bowl loss followed by 2 OT losses to Ithaca).  If you are on the fence and hopeful of an NCAA bid, can't you see why an ECAC bid would be a letdown?  I voted to play the game, but I can certainly see how getting an invite to an ECAC game on Sunday night when you were hoping for an invite to the big dance is a letdown.

Keep in mind, back then there were no AQ's....16 bids, pretty much all at large...

I guess I--and every other player I've ever met--have a different competitive spirit than your tailback had.  I can't imagine any of my teammates saying "if we don't get the NCAA bid, I don't want to play another game."  Non-starters might be a different story, but players want to play.

I don't really understand what being "on the fence" would have to do with it.  If I were on a good team, I'd REALLY want to play another game.

[pg04]

It's obvious that neither of you want to let it go since both of you keep bringing it up.  Perhaps you should ignore each others' posts...

[union89]

It's obvious that neither of you want to let it go since both of you keep bringing it up.  Perhaps you should ignore each others' posts...

I honestly brought nothing up.....

[redswarm81]

It's obvious that neither of you want to let it go since both of you keep bringing it up.  Perhaps you should ignore each others' posts...

I honestly brought nothing up.....

I was going to bring up the fact that we caught and passed the E8 board, but Frank beat me to that one.

[Frank Rossi]

It's obvious that neither of you want to let it go since both of you keep bringing it up.  Perhaps you should ignore each others' posts...

I honestly brought nothing up.....

No -- after I stated specifically that players and coaches were greatly in favor of an ECAC bid this year, you had to continue about how much of a letdown it could be.  That's what led me to snap, since I told you specifically that your 1980s story had no relevance to Union 2008.

[dlippiel]

It's obvious that neither of you want to let it go since both of you keep bringing it up.  Perhaps you should ignore each others' posts...

I honestly brought nothing up.....

I was going to bring up the fact that we caught and passed the E8 board, but Frank beat me to that one.

Dude should I stop posting on the E8 board?

[Jonny Utah]

Who are those wins against? What would RPI, Ithaca, or Cortland State's record be against the competition that Curry has played? Only difference is that the aforementioned teams and many others lay good competiton consistently.

Well I mean, the NJAC has really only beaten each other from what Ive just looked up.  Lets look at the top 5 in the NJAC right now.

Cortland
no non-league games yet with a big one against Ithaca comming up

Rowan
A 24-14 win over NEFC Bridgewater St.

Montclair
13-6 win over Wilkes

Kean
beat Kings Point 40-0

Brockport
lost to Frosturg 27-14

New Jersey
lost to FDU Florham 42-41

I mean, how do these non-league games put Cortland that much ahead of RPI?  Was it Cortlands win over Union last year with TCNJs win over RPI? 

First off, you can't count.  That showed us six teams.  Second, are you kidding me?  Questioning Cortland's NJAC schedule is about as ridiculous as it gets around here.  Maybe Rowan is down a bit, but dude -- the NJAC is a pretty quality conference (although a little more bottom-heavy this year with the teams added to it).  Rowan and Monclair have been quality teams, especially Rowan.  RPI is a very good team, but Cortland has a defense that could likely penetrate to Robinson better than most LL defenses.  It's not like RPI's offense is a mystery -- they throw 40-50 times a game it seems like.  The issue is that teams facing them can't do anything about it because the guys up front are holding up the fort.  Cortland has a powerful defense that I think would give RPI by far its best challenge of the season if they were to meet.

I didn't say I was going to list 5 teams, I told you to look at 5 teams.  It was a trick and you failed smartass.

But lets get something straight here.  Rowan is the only team in the NJAC that has ever done anything to prove that they are one of the elite teams in the country.  That was three years ago and I think its still clogging your mind. Before 2006, you could say that the top team in that conference was probably one of the better teams in the country.  I don't think you can say that now.  So yea, I am questioning Cortland's schedule and I am going to say that Cortland is probably not that much better than SJF, Ithaca, Hartwick, Alfred, RPI, Hobart, Union, Del Val, Lycoming, Albright, or Leb Valley.  In years past you could easily say that Rowan would beat every single one of those teams with ease.   You can't say that now.

I'm not saying the NJAC isn't a quality conference.  From top to bottom it is probably the second best in the east behind the MAC.  But I don't think the top 3 in that conference are any better than the top three in the E8 or LL, and I'm not really that impressed with the only thing we can judege the NJAC by at this point, comparative scores.  I mean, Rowan beating Bridgewater St by 10 points?  Are you frickin kidding me?  First games are first games, but the Rowan teams of old would have beaten them by 50 at the half.

As far as the ECACs go I think Frank and U89 are both right.  Those games totally depend on what the circumstances are for your team at the end of the season.  A team like Union this year should be fired up to play in this game and prove something for the seniors and for guys comming back next year.  A team like RPI on the other hand might be in a totally different mindset for a game seeing that right now they are trying to work on looking good for the national playoffs.

[PBR...]

dig it the snowflakes are supposed to fly at pbr's house today...already snowing nicely right above pbr

[Naked Nott Run]

Perhaps Union should refuse to play in the post season if an alumnus thinks that the team might lose or suffer a letdown.     [/end sarcasm]

Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise, I remain skeptical that any team wants to win less than its opponents.

Why branch that off my response??  I'm not the one suggesting what you stated.  I actually agree with you.

I haven't yet ruled on your earlier objection, counselor.  Sit down. 

Obviously, YOU are not the alumnus advocating on behalf of those who don't want to play football.  Of course we agree.  99 out of every 100 football players agree with you.  I don't understand why that 100th player--including Union's once-starting tailback--wouldn't want to play.

When I said "Despite your efforts to convince me otherwise," I was using the "royal you."

Back then, Union was pretty accustomed to going to the NCAA's (a Stagg Bowl loss followed by 2 OT losses to Ithaca).  If you are on the fence and hopeful of an NCAA bid, can't you see why an ECAC bid would be a letdown?  I voted to play the game, but I can certainly see how getting an invite to an ECAC game on Sunday night when you were hoping for an invite to the big dance is a letdown.

Keep in mind, back then there were no AQ's....16 bids, pretty much all at large...

As a union football alum who played in the NCAA's my freshman year followed by ECAC's my sophmore year all NNR can say is damn it was great to play another game. My sophmore year was a "letdown" because we didn't make the NCAA's after we were shocked by Springfield. Ben Gilbert, Matt LaPorta, George Beebe, George Kanderakis, Mike Visconti, Justin Forrester, Mike Rosenthal, Mike Ranfone...the senior year of some of Union's biggest names in history (check the books) ruined by 1 lousy game of fumbling... The ECAC win over Hartwick felt amazing. It was a chance to play together one more time and carry a trophy. No one plans on playing for an ECAC game but if given the chance and being left out of the NCAA's you're damn right you take it and this was a team very capable of making a Stagg Bowl run...and that is no joke...as long as Mt. Union didn't meet us in a round before it

[JQV]

dig it the snowflakes are supposed to fly at pbr's house today...already snowing nicely right above pbr

PBR...any chance we are playing tonight?