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[Findtheball]

As a former athlete I can understand how during the heat of the game the RPI player was wound up but if he did indeed say what he said: 1.) He deserves to get his ignorant ass kicked and I am glad he got jacked up. 2.) His ass should be removed from the team ASAP. RPI is to damn good of a school to have an ignorant asshole like that representing it on the field. I would like to see how some of the African American players on RPI would feel about their teammates commment. He is a tool and their is no place for that in this game or any other.

Following Reg's line of thinking, what if during the heat of the game the Union player was wound up and threw a cheap shot, then lied to try and make it seem legit?

Shouldn't he be thrown off his team?

Here's another question no one seems to want to ask:  What if in the heat of the game the RPI player said what he's accused of saying, and the Union player just said "shut up, you ignorant a**h*le?"

So what are you asking?
If the Union player had done that there would have been no flag. He jacked him, so he got flagged. Late hits happen in football all the time. You take the 15 yards and make the kid run some sprints or suicides during the week.

Redswarm you are being way too closed minded about this. This is not a Union-RPI thing so just put the rivalry aside. The best team won yesterday. This conversation is about something that needs to be addressed because it is not 1920 in Alabama. My best friend is hispanic, if some called him a racial slur and I was there to here it, even at 39 years old, I promise you my response would not be to call him an A-Hole. Id jack the dude.  You are making WAY too big a deal about the late hit. I guarentee you RPI has a few of those this year, heck it wouldnt surprise me if Redswarm had one at some point in his career.

well said        +K

[redswarm81]

Looks like its going to be another year in d1 where a playoff system would have been ideal.  Someone is going to get screwed out of that title game this year.

I think expectations for a playoff system are unrealistically high.  Take last night's game, for instance.  If Texas Tech and Texas had met in a first round game, and both Penn State and USC (or Cal) had advanced, many people would justifiably be upset that Texas--a much better team than Penn State and USC by SoS calculations--got knocked out in the first round, and those teams with easier schedules advanced.

I'm not saying it would happen every time, I'm just saying it's probably as likely to happen as the BCS system is likely to mess things up--which is more than half the time, it seems to me.

[redswarm81]

As a former athlete I can understand how during the heat of the game the RPI player was wound up but if he did indeed say what he said: 1.) He deserves to get his ignorant ass kicked and I am glad he got jacked up. 2.) His ass should be removed from the team ASAP. RPI is to damn good of a school to have an ignorant asshole like that representing it on the field. I would like to see how some of the African American players on RPI would feel about their teammates commment. He is a tool and their is no place for that in this game or any other.

Following Reg's line of thinking, what if during the heat of the game the Union player was wound up and threw a cheap shot, then lied to try and make it seem legit?

Shouldn't he be thrown off his team?

Here's another question no one seems to want to ask:  What if in the heat of the game the RPI player said what he's accused of saying, and the Union player just said "shut up, you ignorant a**h*le?"

So what are you asking?
If the Union player had done that there would have been no flag. He jacked him, so he got flagged. Late hits happen in football all the time. You take the 15 yards and make the kid run some sprints or suicides during the week.

Redswarm you are being way too closed minded about this. This is not a Union-RPI thing so just put the rivalry aside. The best team won yesterday. This conversation is about something that needs to be addressed because it is not 1920 in Alabama. My best friend is hispanic, if some called him a racial slur and I was there to here it, even at 39 years old, I promise you my response would not be to call him an A-Hole. Id jack the dude.  (And you'd go to jail, even if the police and the judge aren't "closed minded.")  You are making WAY too big a deal about the late hit. I guarentee you RPI has a few of those this year, heck it wouldnt surprise me if Redswarm had one at some point in his career.

I'm being close-minded because I'm considering the possibility that the guy who admitted he violated the rules might be trying to cover his butt?

I'm being close-minded when I've said it clearly several times: racial slurs are unacceptable, cheap shots are unacceptable?  You're saying that cheap shots are acceptable if they follow racial slurs?

[Jonny Utah]

Looks like its going to be another year in d1 where a playoff system would have been ideal.  Someone is going to get screwed out of that title game this year.

I think expectations for a playoff system are unrealistically high.  Take last night's game, for instance.  If Texas Tech and Texas had met in a first round game, and both Penn State and USC (or Cal) had advanced, many people would justifiably be upset that Texas--a much better team than Penn State and USC by SoS calculations--got knocked out in the first round, and those teams with easier schedules advanced.

I'm not saying it would happen every time, I'm just saying it's probably as likely to happen as the BCS system is likely to mess things up--which is more than half the time, it seems to me.

Im thinking we could be seeing a Penn St./Bama championship game.  Those two teams may be the best two in the country, but Id rather see a 8/16 team playoff to find out.

[dlippiel]

As a former athlete I can understand how during the heat of the game the RPI player was wound up but if he did indeed say what he said: 1.) He deserves to get his ignorant ass kicked and I am glad he got jacked up. 2.) His ass should be removed from the team ASAP. RPI is to damn good of a school to have an ignorant asshole like that representing it on the field. I would like to see how some of the African American players on RPI would feel about their teammates commment. He is a tool and their is no place for that in this game or any other.

Following Reg's line of thinking, what if during the heat of the game the Union player was wound up and threw a cheap shot, then lied to try and make it seem legit?

Shouldn't he be thrown off his team?

Here's another question no one seems to want to ask:  What if in the heat of the game the RPI player said what he's accused of saying, and the Union player just said "shut up, you ignorant a**h*le?"

Come on Redswarm please. It is very simple, if the RPI kid said that he deserved to get his ass jacked up and if King has any morals he should be thrown off the team right away. Using that word not only insults Coney but it insults every African American on both teams. If I was Audino I would say to my player just what Chris Rock would have said to OJ. "I am not saying you should have jacked him up...but I understand." Now if the RPI player did not say that (which is possible but I believe he did) then the Union kid should be out period for 1.) accusing another student athlete of something so inexcusable 2.) for lying and using that word to rationalize that lie. So for me it goes both ways. Yet if we are being realistic I think it is much more likely that the RPI kid said it and the Union player came to his teammates defense.

To me and only me you sound like one of two things:
1.) An RPI fan and probably a former player who is very loyal to RPI and blinded by his loyalty (which I think is wrong but I can understand)
2.) A complete idiot (which I also think is a possiblity) Of course I have been an idiot before myself but never over something racial. And if a Union player was rightfully accused of of such and offense then I would want his ass jacked up and kicked off the team.

[Jonny Utah]

Can any Union guys compare Muhlenburg with RPI or other top teams in the LL/Upsate that Union has played?

[Senor RedTackle]

As a former athlete I can understand how during the heat of the game the RPI player was wound up but if he did indeed say what he said: 1.) He deserves to get his ignorant ass kicked and I am glad he got jacked up. 2.) His ass should be removed from the team ASAP. RPI is to damn good of a school to have an ignorant asshole like that representing it on the field. I would like to see how some of the African American players on RPI would feel about their teammates commment. He is a tool and their is no place for that in this game or any other.

Following Reg's line of thinking, what if during the heat of the game the Union player was wound up and threw a cheap shot, then lied to try and make it seem legit?

Shouldn't he be thrown off his team?

Here's another question no one seems to want to ask:  What if in the heat of the game the RPI player said what he's accused of saying, and the Union player just said "shut up, you ignorant a**h*le?"

Come on Redswarm please. It is very simple, if the RPI kid said that he deserved to get his ass jacked up and if King has any morals he should be thrown off the team right away. Using that word not only insults Coney but it insults every African American on both teams. If I was Audino I would say to my player just what Chris Rock would have said to OJ. "I am not saying you should have jacked him up...but I understand." Now if the RPI player did not say that (which is possible but I believe he did) then the Union kid should be out period for 1.) accusing another student athlete of something so inexcusable 2.) for lying and using that word to rationalize that lie. So for me it goes both ways. Yet if we are being realistic I think it is much more likely that the RPI kid said it and the Union player came to his teammates defense.

To me and only me you sound like one of two things:
1.) An RPI fan and probably a former player who is very loyal to RPI and blinded by his loyalty (which I think is wrong but I can understand)
2.) A complete idiot (which I also think is a possiblity) Of course I have been an idiot before myself but never over something racial. And if a Union player was rightfully accused of of such and offense then I would want his ass jacked up and kicked off the team.

the reason RT has a hard time buying this story (and why he hasn't touched it) has nothing to do w/ the fact RT is an RPI fan...it's more because RPI, like most other teams, is a multi-cultured environment. RT is around that program enough to know that the players on the team are pretty close and go through alot together...so if someone was dumb enough to make that kind of comment to an opposing player, it also hurts and offends your own teammates. Plus, RT's philiosphy is that if someone were to make that kind of comment, odds are that a tendency like that would've likely surfaced earlier in the season or at a practice or somewhere else where it would've been dealt with appropriately. That kind of stuff speaks to a pattern of someone's behavior. RT just can't see a Joe King -coached team, on a big stage like yesterday, digressing to that.

Also, RT thinks its irresponsible for people to be saying to much about it on hear w/o any of the facts other than 3rd handed hearsay. It's an inflammatory topic.

[Jonny Utah]

As a former athlete I can understand how during the heat of the game the RPI player was wound up but if he did indeed say what he said: 1.) He deserves to get his ignorant ass kicked and I am glad he got jacked up. 2.) His ass should be removed from the team ASAP. RPI is to damn good of a school to have an ignorant asshole like that representing it on the field. I would like to see how some of the African American players on RPI would feel about their teammates commment. He is a tool and their is no place for that in this game or any other.

Following Reg's line of thinking, what if during the heat of the game the Union player was wound up and threw a cheap shot, then lied to try and make it seem legit?

Shouldn't he be thrown off his team?

Here's another question no one seems to want to ask:  What if in the heat of the game the RPI player said what he's accused of saying, and the Union player just said "shut up, you ignorant a**h*le?"

Come on Redswarm please. It is very simple, if the RPI kid said that he deserved to get his ass jacked up and if King has any morals he should be thrown off the team right away. Using that word not only insults Coney but it insults every African American on both teams. If I was Audino I would say to my player just what Chris Rock would have said to OJ. "I am not saying you should have jacked him up...but I understand." Now if the RPI player did not say that (which is possible but I believe he did) then the Union kid should be out period for 1.) accusing another student athlete of something so inexcusable 2.) for lying and using that word to rationalize that lie. So for me it goes both ways. Yet if we are being realistic I think it is much more likely that the RPI kid said it and the Union player came to his teammates defense.

To me and only me you sound like one of two things:
1.) An RPI fan and probably a former player who is very loyal to RPI and blinded by his loyalty (which I think is wrong but I can understand)
2.) A complete idiot (which I also think is a possiblity) Of course I have been an idiot before myself but never over something racial. And if a Union player was rightfully accused of of such and offense then I would want his ass jacked up and kicked off the team.

Also, RT thinks its irresponsible for people to be saying to much about it on hear w/o any of the facts other than 3rd handed hearsay. It's an inflammatory topic.

Great point.  Its time to move on.

[labart96]

New topic:

So who's going to be on ITH tonight?

Is RT so hung over this AM that he'll struggle to get his game face on for Championship Week?!?!?!?

['gro]

Yes, moving on... did anyone venture to the Ruck for post game wings?

dlippiel - How about those SHS Patriots?

[dlippiel]

Yes, moving on... did anyone venture to the Ruck for post game wings?

dlippiel - How about those SHS Patriots?

gor did you watch any of the game on Friday night? These Patriots are for real and I think they proved it with their tough D Friday night. Peters (the Nisky QB is nasty) and Schenectady came right out an shut him down. They are the only team to do so this year. I just hope next week they can stay focused. It is going to be tough for them because they monkey stomped a very good Lasalle earlier in the season and now they must face them again. I guarantee Lasalle will not turn the ball over this time like they did the last. It is going to be a great game. I think SHS has a legitimate shot and goes in as a big favorite. I just love to see these inner-city kids come together, get disciplined and make this commitment to success. This football team has been awful for so long and all of a sudden "poof" these Patriots are on fire. Have you seen them play? WHat do you think about their chances in the Super Bowl?

[XREDDRAGON77]

XRED has seen highlights of SHS against Newburgh of Section 9.  SHS squeaked it out.  Unfortunately Section I's best and II's for that matter will probably get slammed by Monroe Woodbury in the state Semis.  MW is rolling with 5 straight regular undefeated seasons.  Last regular season MW loss was in 2003 against NFA. 

[dlippiel]

XRED has seen highlights of SHS against Newburgh of Section 9.  SHS squeaked it out.  Unfortunately Section I's best and II's for that matter will probably get slammed by Monroe Woodbury in the state Semis.  MW is rolling with 5 straight regular undefeated seasons.  Last regular season MW loss was in 2003 against NFA. 

I think this is the truth. MW is supposed to be very very good. It will be a tough assignment for anyone to take them out.

[XREDDRAGON77]

XRed would like to see MW fall as they have not been nice to the squad that XRED invests much of his time with.

[dlippiel]

Can any Union guys compare Muhlenburg with RPI or other top teams in the LL/Upsate that Union has played?

It is hard to say but I think that because of the Mules O line size (I believe avg around 300lbs) and very quick and shifty QB that the Mules would be able to put up some points on RPI. I think the Mules D would be able to contain Robertson and cover the flat. I think the area where RPI would have to attack the Mules in in the long pass game, there I think they would have success. I continue to be impressed with Robertson's pocket presence and composure. RPI's line looked very good to me yesterday in giving Robertson time to make the big plays he needed to make. Overall I would favor the Mules because I didn't see enough from RPI to convince me that they are a better team overall. Do I think RPI could beat Muhlenburg? Absolutely! To be honest I do not think the Mules are the fourth best team in the country. I just don't see it and there close game with Dickenson seems to support my thoughts. Regarding RPI unless they show me they can handle Bart with ease I think the LL is going to have another one and out NCAA tourney.