FB: Liberty League

[Frank Rossi]

The RT/FR 'hug' on, 'In The HuddLLe' is an instant classic as well......kind of a WTF moment, frozen in time.

You won't be getting one -- so gaze in envy.

[union89]

Hobart 24
RPI 16

Oh how I am hoping for this to be true. I very well may attend this game instead of U's last home game for the year. I am undecided but we shall see.

I'm not really sure why you'd be rooting for Hobart as a fan of the LL.  RPI will have trouble gaining a Pool C bid with one loss based on its woeful SoS -- and I'd rather RPI get a home game and go deep into the playoffs to see the LL get off the snide after the 2007 playoffs debacle.

In addition, if Hobart loses, it is the only one of the three teams (RPI, Union and Hobart) that would have lost both of its games against the others.  That would place Union in slightly higher regard in my mind, even if the W/L records don't necessarily reflect it.

This isn't Shoes Week -- so I'd say be sensible about how you cheer on teams this weekend.

Agreed.....

[union89]

The RT/FR 'hug' on, 'In The HuddLLe' is an instant classic as well......kind of a WTF moment, frozen in time.

You won't be getting one -- so gaze in envy.

No need....it's burned into my mind.....

[unionfan]

Ive only seen RPI from a few clips but don't they run the spread?  Thats a triple option offense that basically takes what the defense gives you.  Not always as simple as saying "RPI doesnt have a good running game/passing game".  That also makes it harder to say what player is better than another if youve only seen them once or twice.

They run a pure, pass-oriented spread, not a spread option.  Their running game is not particularly productive, but doesn't have to be--it's more of a "keep them honest" objective, which it's generally good enough to achieve.

I agree with Frank that a LB-dominant defense like Hobart's will have real issues with RPI.  The guys that matter are the (ideally 5) dbacks that must cover a lot of vertical routes and the (ideally 3) lineman who need to get pressure without blitzing.

Hasnt Hobart won 5 of the last 6 vs RPI? they both run the same offense and defense that they have in those years. I dont see how Hobart is all of a sudden going to struggle schematically with what RPI does?

Actually, Hobart traditionally has had some problems with the RPI; over the past 5 years they've put up 27 pts on average.

[Knightstalker]

Does anyone else remember this?  Or is KS just really old?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLeVcP_JQg

And of course the TOTD

[labart96]

Ive only seen RPI from a few clips but don't they run the spread?  Thats a triple option offense that basically takes what the defense gives you.  Not always as simple as saying "RPI doesnt have a good running game/passing game".  That also makes it harder to say what player is better than another if youve only seen them once or twice.

They run a pure, pass-oriented spread, not a spread option.  Their running game is not particularly productive, but doesn't have to be--it's more of a "keep them honest" objective, which it's generally good enough to achieve.

I agree with Frank that a LB-dominant defense like Hobart's will have real issues with RPI.  The guys that matter are the (ideally 5) dbacks that must cover a lot of vertical routes and the (ideally 3) lineman who need to get pressure without blitzing.

Hasnt Hobart won 5 of the last 6 vs RPI? they both run the same offense and defense that they have in those years. I dont see how Hobart is all of a sudden going to struggle schematically with what RPI does?

Actually, Hobart traditionally has had some problems with the RPI; over the past 5 years they've put up 27 pts on average.

this is true (but to counter point - rpi struggled even worse since hobart has averaged 42+ ppg vs. rpi in the past five years):

2007:  RPI 35 Hobart 31
2006:  Hobart 24 - RPI 17
2005:  Hobart 56 - RPI 48 (3 OT)
2004:  Hobart 54 - RPI 13
2003:  Hobart 43 - RPI 25

[dlippiel]

Hobart 24
RPI 16

Oh how I am hoping for this to be true. I very well may attend this game instead of U's last home game for the year. I am undecided but we shall see.

I'm not really sure why you'd be rooting for Hobart as a fan of the LL.  RPI will have trouble gaining a Pool C bid with one loss based on its woeful SoS -- and I'd rather RPI get a home game and go deep into the playoffs to see the LL get off the snide after the 2007 playoffs debacle.

In addition, if Hobart loses, it is the only one of the three teams (RPI, Union and Hobart) that would have lost both of its games against the others.  That would place Union in slightly higher regard in my mind, even if the W/L records don't necessarily reflect it.

This isn't Shoes Week -- so I'd say be sensible about how you cheer on teams this weekend.

Agreed.....

No can do guys. Doesn't matter if it makes sense to you guys but I will still be supporting Bart. To me this is sensible because I don't care for RPI at all which is always obvious from my posts. I have mentioned before how last year was the first time I have really ever rooted for RPI and I felt they **** the bed. SO this year, as I have previously stated, I will support RPI for the good of the LL if and when they beat Bart and finish the season undefeated. After last week I have stopped talking any **** about RPI, their week schedule and have actually admitted I respect the team and feel they are very good. To me though, they are still RPI, and to me, I have been against RPI both on the football field and the ice since I could walk. So I don't care about sensible until I really have to. For me, I have to and will when and if they finish undefeated. I like many players on their team and respect them for their athletic and academic ability. Yet I am a Union fan and avid opponent of RPI. We don't have to be perfect and always do what "makes sense" when it comes to rooting for or against teams. That's why I enjoy it. My loyalty is always to the U meaning for me, I will usually always fall against RPI. I don't care if it makes sense or not. Can you tell I am passionate? Maybe stupid to some but passionate for the U.

[dlippiel]

Hobart 24
RPI 16

Oh how I am hoping for this to be true. I very well may attend this game instead of U's last home game for the year. I am undecided but we shall see.

I'm not really sure why you'd be rooting for Hobart as a fan of the LL.  RPI will have trouble gaining a Pool C bid with one loss based on its woeful SoS -- and I'd rather RPI get a home game and go deep into the playoffs to see the LL get off the snide after the 2007 playoffs debacle.

In addition, if Hobart loses, it is the only one of the three teams (RPI, Union and Hobart) that would have lost both of its games against the others.  That would place Union in slightly higher regard in my mind, even if the W/L records don't necessarily reflect it.

This isn't Shoes Week -- so I'd say be sensible about how you cheer on teams this weekend.

Agreed.....

No can do guys. Doesn't matter if it makes sense to you guys but I will still be supporting Bart. To me this is sensible because I don't care for RPI at all which is always obvious from my posts. I have mentioned before how last year was the first time I have really ever rooted for RPI and I felt they **** the bed. SO this year, as I have previously stated, I will support RPI for the good of the LL if and when they beat Bart and finish the season undefeated. After last week I have stopped talking any **** about RPI, their week schedule and have actually admitted I respect the team and feel they are very good. To me though, they are still RPI, and to me, I have been against RPI both on the football field and the ice since I could walk. So I don't care about sensible until I really have to. For me, I have to and will when and if they finish undefeated. I like many players on their team and respect them for their athletic and academic ability. Yet I am a Union fan and avid opponent of RPI. We don't have to be perfect and always do what "makes sense" when it comes to rooting for or against teams. That's why I enjoy it. My loyalty is always to the U meaning for me, I will usually always fall against RPI. I don't care if it makes sense or not. Can you tell I am passionate? Maybe stupid to some but passionate for the U.

A local doid who loves his U.

[lewdogg11]

Hobart 24
RPI 16

Oh how I am hoping for this to be true. I very well may attend this game instead of U's last home game for the year. I am undecided but we shall see.

I'm not really sure why you'd be rooting for Hobart as a fan of the LL.  RPI will have trouble gaining a Pool C bid with one loss based on its woeful SoS -- and I'd rather RPI get a home game and go deep into the playoffs to see the LL get off the snide after the 2007 playoffs debacle.

In addition, if Hobart loses, it is the only one of the three teams (RPI, Union and Hobart) that would have lost both of its games against the others.  That would place Union in slightly higher regard in my mind, even if the W/L records don't necessarily reflect it.

This isn't Shoes Week -- so I'd say be sensible about how you cheer on teams this weekend.

Agreed.....

No can do guys. Doesn't matter if it makes sense to you guys but I will still be supporting Bart. To me this is sensible because I don't care for RPI at all which is always obvious from my posts. I have mentioned before how last year was the first time I have really ever rooted for RPI and I felt they **** the bed. SO this year, as I have previously stated, I will support RPI for the good of the LL if and when they beat Bart and finish the season undefeated. After last week I have stopped talking any **** about RPI, their week schedule and have actually admitted I respect the team and feel they are very good. To me though, they are still RPI, and to me, I have been against RPI both on the football field and the ice since I could walk. So I don't care about sensible until I really have to. For me, I have to and will when and if they finish undefeated. I like many players on their team and respect them for their athletic and academic ability. Yet I am a Union fan and avid opponent of RPI. We don't have to be perfect and always do what "makes sense" when it comes to rooting for or against teams. That's why I enjoy it. My loyalty is always to the U meaning for me, I will usually always fall against RPI. I don't care if it makes sense or not. Can you tell I am passionate? Maybe stupid to some but passionate for the U.

So who do you like this week in the RPI/Hobart game?

[dlippiel]

Honestly I have to go with RPI by double digits. Like I have said before I hope I am wrong about the outcome but I think RPI is just very good. I feel Robertson is just not going to let this one go. U had great coverage throughout the game and yet Robertson just found a way to make it work. I think much of the same will happen this week.

[muledaddy]

Gents,

It's Dlip  all the way...Hobart by more than 7.....because some things are the way they have to be,,,in the heart

[unionfan]

Ive only seen RPI from a few clips but don't they run the spread?  Thats a triple option offense that basically takes what the defense gives you.  Not always as simple as saying "RPI doesnt have a good running game/passing game".  That also makes it harder to say what player is better than another if youve only seen them once or twice.

They run a pure, pass-oriented spread, not a spread option.  Their running game is not particularly productive, but doesn't have to be--it's more of a "keep them honest" objective, which it's generally good enough to achieve.

I agree with Frank that a LB-dominant defense like Hobart's will have real issues with RPI.  The guys that matter are the (ideally 5) dbacks that must cover a lot of vertical routes and the (ideally 3) lineman who need to get pressure without blitzing.

Hasnt Hobart won 5 of the last 6 vs RPI? they both run the same offense and defense that they have in those years. I dont see how Hobart is all of a sudden going to struggle schematically with what RPI does?

Actually, Hobart traditionally has had some problems with the RPI; over the past 5 years they've put up 27 pts on average.

this is true (but to counter point - rpi struggled even worse since hobart has averaged 42+ ppg vs. rpi in the past five years):

2007:  RPI 35 Hobart 31
2006:  Hobart 24 - RPI 17
2005:  Hobart 56 - RPI 48 (3 OT)
2004:  Hobart 54 - RPI 13
2003:  Hobart 43 - RPI 25

Absolutely, they have lit them up--and indeed I almost added that to my post to make the point that I thought a real problem was that Hobart couldn't put up those kinds of points this year.  But then I remembered that this year's squad could've hung 50 on Union this year with a few different bounces...

[Jonny Utah]

Ive only seen RPI from a few clips but don't they run the spread?  Thats a triple option offense that basically takes what the defense gives you.  Not always as simple as saying "RPI doesnt have a good running game/passing game".  That also makes it harder to say what player is better than another if youve only seen them once or twice.

They run a pure, pass-oriented spread, not a spread option.  Their running game is not particularly productive, but doesn't have to be--it's more of a "keep them honest" objective, which it's generally good enough to achieve.

I agree with Frank that a LB-dominant defense like Hobart's will have real issues with RPI.  The guys that matter are the (ideally 5) dbacks that must cover a lot of vertical routes and the (ideally 3) lineman who need to get pressure without blitzing.

Hasnt Hobart won 5 of the last 6 vs RPI? they both run the same offense and defense that they have in those years. I dont see how Hobart is all of a sudden going to struggle schematically with what RPI does?

Actually, Hobart traditionally has had some problems with the RPI; over the past 5 years they've put up 27 pts on average.

this is true (but to counter point - rpi struggled even worse since hobart has averaged 42+ ppg vs. rpi in the past five years):

2007:  RPI 35 Hobart 31
2006:  Hobart 24 - RPI 17
2005:  Hobart 56 - RPI 48 (3 OT)
2004:  Hobart 54 - RPI 13
2003:  Hobart 43 - RPI 25

Absolutely, they have lit them up--and indeed I almost added that to my post to make the point that I thought a real problem was that Hobart couldn't put up those kinds of points this year.  But then I remembered that this year's squad could've hung 50 on Union this year with a few different bounces...

In response to my earlier post, it seems like RPI runs it almost 50% of the time?

[Findtheball]

 Does that mean 1/2 the time ?

[pg04]

Does that mean 1/2 the time ?

Can we -1 from his post count every time he posts instead of increasing it?  I feel stupider each post I read.