FB: Liberty League

[Frank Rossi]

Well, here's my phone number for him again.  Last offer to try to get this off the boards.  646-234-6978.

Aren't you afraid of being harassed by all the Frank The Tank groupies?

Well, hopefully they'll keep their calls to nights and weekends.

[union89]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

[Frank Rossi]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

[Reno Hightower]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

[Senor RedTackle]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

ok, so net it out...do you feel after talking to him that a 1 loss RPI gets in?

[Frank Rossi]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

ok, so net it out...do you feel after talking to him that a 1 loss RPI gets in?

I'm not going to speak for the Committee on this one, because I am only operating on limited discussion to this point.  However, it's pretty clear that RPI fans need to root hard for Cortland and Kean to win this weekend.  The discussion concerning the subjective treatment of a team's out-of-conference schedule is pretty important for RPI fans.  I'm not saying this means they'll fall short as of right now, but it can't help matters.

Needless to say, WIN BIG THIS WEEKEND, RPI.  That's all you can control.

['gro]

If RPI's defense plays the same way they did against Bart we could be looking at the very least a monkey stompout (21-0) and maybe more if the offense decides to show up.

Any word on Savasli?

Go Cortland, Go Kean.

forget all the bad things I've said about both schools

[JT]

Happy 233 Birthday to the Marines:

Semper Fi !

[redswarm81]

Happy 233 Birthday to the Marines:

Semper Fi !

Ooh Rah!

[JQV]

Any of the LLPPers from Ellenville, NY?  If so, care to explain how this kid got to be your starting QB?



http://withleather.uproxx.com/?p=11577

[PBR...]

Any of the LLPPers from Ellenville, NY?  If so, care to explain how this kid got to be your starting QB?



http://withleather.uproxx.com/?p=11577

jared lorenzo retired to upstate ny and started a family?

[pumkinattack]

There's some cold blooded people commenting on this kid if you read down all the way.  

We had a very good RB from Ellenville my FR year, Mark Logan.  He got replaced early in my Soph. season by Keith Brandon, but he wasn't really inferior, Brandon was just that good.  Logan was a very solid 6', 210 or so.

[JQV]

I didn't read the comments but the story makes it sound like he was always a qb and not an emergency fill in which leads to an interesting question: Why is he wearing number 64?

[XREDDRAGON77]

Because he is also a lineman.  His squad won the Section IX class C championship as well.  The author of the article states several times that he has a slow metabolism.  That's better than Eric Cartman saying he is just big boned.

[JT]

Any of the LLPPers from Ellenville, NY?  If so, care to explain how this kid got to be your starting QB?



http://withleather.uproxx.com/?p=11577

jared lorenzo retired to upstate ny and started a family?

JT feels bad for laughing, but this part of the blog is funny:

Look at his socks.  He turned the Under Armour logo into a horizontal line.