FB: Liberty League

[Reno Hightower]

With all that said, I hope Im wrong and Union would win by 21! Cant say it would shock me. All I am saying is that if you really truly look at that possible match-up without bias, that you HAVE to either call Curry the favorite or it a pick em at the most. Putting Union as a favorite in that game would be looking at Unions current situation through rose colored glasses.

Reno, of the few people who have posted on this subject here in LLPP, you are the only person who has picked Curry as a favorite in a perspective match-up with Union.

You may think I over value the Dutchmen, I think you greatly under value them.  Union is very young, but I would put their skilled players on offense up against anyone in the LL.

How many times have I said that I think Union would win? In every single post! My point is that on paper A-It should be a great game and B-It certainly would not surprise me if Curry won.

I think you are underrating Curry as much as you are overrating Union.
And if you are simply talking about handicapping the game. You have to make Curry the favorite or make the game a pick em. You have to.

Handicapping and picking are 2 different stories 89.

I am right about how the game should be handicapped. And as a Union Fan, it saddens me that that is the case.

[Knightstalker]

BTW: I am taking you in a landslide for the cagematch with Frank Rossi.  The lawyer-speak doesn't fly in the steel cage.  Plus it is TDT's distinct opinion that Frank is always looking to argue with somebody (Oh and TDT likes your style, long live the Republicans of the LLPP)...

This may be the biggest endorsement I have ever received.

Of course the endorsement came from the guy who ran screaming from PC after talking ish for months.

[union89]

With all that said, I hope Im wrong and Union would win by 21! Cant say it would shock me. All I am saying is that if you really truly look at that possible match-up without bias, that you HAVE to either call Curry the favorite or it a pick em at the most. Putting Union as a favorite in that game would be looking at Unions current situation through rose colored glasses.

Reno, of the few people who have posted on this subject here in LLPP, you are the only person who has picked Curry as a favorite in a perspective match-up with Union.

You may think I over value the Dutchmen, I think you greatly under value them.  Union is very young, but I would put their skilled players on offense up against anyone in the LL.

How many times have I said that I think Union would win? In every single post! My point is that on paper A-It should be a great game and B-It certainly would not surprise me if Curry won.

I think you are underrating Curry as much as you are overrating Union.
And if you are simply talking about handicapping the game. You have to make Curry the favorite or make the game a pick em. You have to.

Handicapping and picking are 2 different stories 89.

I am right about how the game should be handicapped. And as a Union Fan, it saddens me that that is the case.

Maybe its me....does ANYONE agree with Reno that Curry would be favored over Union if they play in an ECAC game?  I'll even put the game in Milton, MA.

[Touchdown Tommy]

KS: Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story...

Frank: Your long windedness and always having to get the last word in grows very old on people.  Proof is in the pudding.

[Reno Hightower]

With all that said, I hope Im wrong and Union would win by 21! Cant say it would shock me. All I am saying is that if you really truly look at that possible match-up without bias, that you HAVE to either call Curry the favorite or it a pick em at the most. Putting Union as a favorite in that game would be looking at Unions current situation through rose colored glasses.

Reno, of the few people who have posted on this subject here in LLPP, you are the only person who has picked Curry as a favorite in a perspective match-up with Union.

You may think I over value the Dutchmen, I think you greatly under value them.  Union is very young, but I would put their skilled players on offense up against anyone in the LL.

How many times have I said that I think Union would win? In every single post! My point is that on paper A-It should be a great game and B-It certainly would not surprise me if Curry won.

I think you are underrating Curry as much as you are overrating Union.
And if you are simply talking about handicapping the game. You have to make Curry the favorite or make the game a pick em. You have to.

Handicapping and picking are 2 different stories 89.

I am right about how the game should be handicapped. And as a Union Fan, it saddens me that that is the case.

Maybe its me....does ANYONE agree with Reno that Curry would be favored over Union if they play in an ECAC game?  I'll even put the game in Milton, MA.

How about giving non-point-of-view reasons as to why Union would be the favorite? I have given factual reasons as to why a handicapper would make Curry the favorite.

[union89]

Union would dominate at the LOS.....Coney would have 200 yards rushing and Union rush defense would stuff Curry's ground attack. 

I don't agree with your comparisons of both teams to SJF in different years....all 3 teams had different personnel.

[lewdogg11]

Curry Sucks.

[dlippiel]

Curry Sucks.

I know what I have said in my previous posts but this statement by Lewdogg clearly is the reason why even a 8-1 Curry beating a 500 Union team would be awful and clearly illustrate the fall U has taken from its previous place among D3 football programs. To me though having caught a few NEFC games the conference is just weak as ****. I mean look at how Curry has dominated that conference, have they ever entered the d3.com poll? This year they lost to freaking Plymouth St. I would be willing to bet SLU would give Curry a very good game this year, very good. We all know SLU sucks. I guess just the sight of NEFC near a Union college and/or LL makes me very annoyed. AS I said earlier though Union has not done enough recently to snub their nose at anyone, including Curry. I am talking in circles but that is what a NEFC discussion will do to you. Yet the more the LL continues to struggle in the NCAA's and its traditional powers are not making any noise nationally we are going to be included in these discussions.

[lewdogg11]

Here is how I see Curry...


Mount Union vs. everyone in D3 looks awesome.  They are a great team.  Put them against UNH and they will get killed. 

Bottom line, while Curry looks like world beaters against their competition, they are not fast enough, strong enough, or big enough to win consistently outside of their conference. 

Curry is well coached and has some good athletes and that equals a winning formula in the NEFC.  If the rest of the conference were to follow that example, the conference would begin to get better each year, and then they might be able to compete outside their bubble.  But they don't care enough about football at the other schools.

[Pat Coleman]

Last year Curry was ranked.

[Pat Coleman]

KS: It took Touchdown Tommy almost a year to come up with that new spin on his ducking me last October, for what it's worth.

[lewdogg11]

And to add to that, I think Union vs. Curry this year would be a tough game.  Union would win by 14 but it would be hard fought.  As a LL fan, I would love to see the matchup.  I would love to see any LL or E8 team play and win against the NEFC.  In doing so, this will deter the NCAA committee from ever even thinking of giving that conference a Pool C, until it can prove it is worthy of one.

[Jonny Utah]

Union would be a 7.5 point favorite against Curry on a neutral field and a 3.5 favorite at Curry in my opinion. 

Im not sure if this is the point U89 is trying to make, but Union might have more to lose by losing to Curry than they would gain by beating them.  Its kind of like the average division 1 team debating on what they would gain by playing a top 1-AA team (ie: Michigan/App. St.). 

Now if Union had to play Hartwick on the other hand in the ECAC game, at least by losing to them they would with in decent company (SJF, Alfred). 


 

[Findtheball]

Curry Sucks.

Not a fair comment Louis

[Reno Hightower]

Union would dominate at the LOS.....Coney would have 200 yards rushing and Union rush defense would stuff Curry's ground attack. 

I don't agree with your comparisons of both teams to SJF in different years....all 3 teams had different personnel.

I dont disagree with you 89! You arent seperating the handicap/picking thing.
Its easy to see why Frank gets frustrated debating with you. Instead of stating facts, you state your opinion.
I feel handicapped in this discussion until you start to look at things more clearly.

And to say Coney would have 200 yards is stretching it. He has had 1 good run in the last 3 weeks and has been held under 100 by SLU and USMMA despite having enough carries to produce those kinds of numbers against those teams.
Im sure we can agree that Curry is superior to those teams.

Curry beat the E8 Champ last year. They are clearly capable of playing with teams of Unions Caliber. And remember Unions caliber in 2008, not 1998.