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WW

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 01, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Just feels weird that Chicago could be losing after the first quarter and know they won't be conference champions.

Likewise for Lake Forest, if they are leading after one quarter, they have already locked up the conference title w 3q still to go.

Although the game would remain relevant. A Chicago rally for a win would give them a Pool C shot, with a win over possibly two RRO and a strong SOS number

USee

Quote from: WW on November 02, 2021, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 01, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Just feels weird that Chicago could be losing after the first quarter and know they won't be conference champions.

Likewise for Lake Forest, if they are leading after one quarter, they have already locked up the conference title w 3q still to go.

Although the game would remain relevant. A Chicago rally for a win would give them a Pool C shot, with a win over possibly two RRO and a strong SOS number

If Lake Forest and WashU get ranked, that will be a big positive, though LF losing in Week 11 isn't great. I wouldn't describe their SOS number, which may be higher than Wheaton's, as strong (currently .498 and going lower this week).

fulbakdad

#11207
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

SpartanHouse

Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

blue_jays

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.

SpartanHouse

Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.

Incorrect.

Lake Forest and Monmouth will have led for more quarters this season than UC even if UC beats LF for all 4 quarters

Thus, Lake Forest has already locked up the conference championship assuming they win this weekend and leas for all 4 quarters.

blue_jays

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.

Incorrect.

Lake Forest and Monmouth will have led for more quarters this season than UC even if UC beats LF for all 4 quarters

Thus, Lake Forest has already locked up the conference championship assuming they win this weekend and leas for all 4 quarters.

Non-conference games don't count. Conference games only. The game that LFC played for only 2 quarters was official, so they only get 2 quarters of lead from that result. Going into Nov. 6 game, LFC has led 26 quarters, Monmouth 24 quarters, UChicago 23 quarters. LFC has big advantage in the tiebreak scenarios and UC will need everything to break their way the next 2 weeks, but it is possible for the Maroons to still get the AQ.

SpartanHouse

If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

blue_jays

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Of course. But it's still in the realm of possibility that UChicago could get it if Monmouth slips up.

fulbakdad

#11214
Ok, So I realized that Lake Forest had a shortened game.  But didn't bring it up, because I am pretty sure the Conference would have to have further discussion about it before Saturday.

When my son was a Freshman, 2011, Lake Forest opened up against Concordia Chicago.  There was an extreme weather front that came through around halftime.  Lake Forest was ahead and they sent everyone home, somewhat like what happened this year at LFC.  At the end of the season, and I forgot the exact details, but that game became a concern as to how Concordia's season was going to end.  I think they were in a tie for the AQ also but not 100% sure about that.  We had to go back and get slapped around by them for 2 quarters to finish that games 4 quarters.......

Now, will the MWC want that to happen this year?  If I was a betting man, and I am, I would be happy to wager that they will want everything decided and understood before the balls are kicked off Saturday.  I bet we will hear of some announcement giving clear instructions IF Lake Forest was to lose.  Now all of this won't matter if Lake Forest wins.  So they are in the drivers seat.  But there are still multiple outcomes if they lose.

WW

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though

SpartanHouse

Quote from: WW on November 06, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though

Is that supposed to be a jab?

WW

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 06, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: WW on November 06, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though

Is that supposed to be a jab?

Make that 2 quarters. Not at all. 3 yards short. Considering Ripon was punting with 10 seconds left, they made it close. Kinda surprised they didn't go for 6 at the half, knowing the potential value of quarter wins.

SpartanHouse

#11218
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Anything else and LF wins conference.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

hickory_cornhusker

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.