FB: Midwest Conference

[WW]

Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.

Ya, still a chance this ends in a three-way coin flip. I also wouldn't call the Chicago season "over" if they fail to win enough quarters and still come away with a win. At 9-1, they'll have considerable criteria collateral to make a case for being the region's top pool C nominee

[SpartanHouse]

Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.

great point!

Monmouth needs a win, a Chicago win, Chicago to lead for 3q or less,LF to lead for zero quarters, at least one quarter to end in a tie, AND...to win a coin flip tie breaker. So you're saying there's a chance!!!

[USee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but LF and Chicago can't end up at 31 each. If Chicago leads for 3 quarters and LF leads for 1 it ends up

LF 31/34
Chicago 30/36

LF wins. So Chicago has to lead all 4 quarters right?

[SpartanHouse]

For Chicago to win it, Yes.

I was referring to monmouth's path for a title.

[USee]

under your LF scenario you said LF and Chicago could tie at 31. I don't see that as an option.

[SpartanHouse]

I was referring to if Chicago leads for 3 quarters and LF doesn't lead for any.

Ie: first quarter is 0-0 and then Chicago wins the next three.

They'd both finish the season w 30. Monmouth would also most likely finish w 30.

[fulbakdad]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

[SpartanHouse]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

[CardinalAlum]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

[SpartanHouse]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

[WW]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

I don't know what would be a better tiebreaker but I'm not a fan of this one. Changes completely how you approach game situations if you're trying to win quarters all along rather than just the game. Saturday, for example, facing a 7-0 deficit, Monmouth called a timeout with 10 seconds left in the quarter to force a Ripon punt before the quarter ended. Called a fair catch to ensure they got one play in before the quarter ended, and darn near went full Hail Mary on the last play of the first quarter. They're not doing any of that had this game occurred earlier in the season.

[hickory_cornhusker]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

Unless Monmouth were to lose to Knox in which case a Chicago win would give them the head to head advantage over Lake Forest to grab the Pool A and we never even look at quarters led.

[blue_jays]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

While the MWC will hear the appeal, there's no way they should grant it. LFC made the call to end the game. They could have waited out the weather, but they chose not to. That's on them for not taking the tiebreaker criteria into account. "But we forgot" is not a valid excuse. UChicago played a home game that same day, had a delay due to lightning, but ended up finishing all 4 quarters. You can't assume that LFC would have led all 4 quarters either, the game was far from out of reach at 17-0.
Besides, in the MWC by-laws, it says that if a conference game doesn't reach the conclusion of 3 quarters, it is considered suspended, pending a consultation of the AD's and MWC office. LFC is fortunate the game wasn't considered a no contest, frankly.

[blue_jays]

You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

While the MWC will hear the appeal, there's no way they should grant it. LFC made the call to end the game. They could have waited out the weather, but they chose not to. That's on them for not taking the tiebreaker criteria into account. "But we forgot" is not a valid excuse. UChicago played a home game that same day, had a delay due to lightning, but ended up finishing all 4 quarters. You can't assume that LFC would have led all 4 quarters either, the game was far from out of reach at 17-0.
Besides, in the MWC by-laws, it says that if a conference game doesn't reach the conclusion of 3 quarters, it is considered suspended, pending a consultation of the AD's and MWC office. LFC is fortunate the game wasn't considered a no contest, frankly.

This is flat out not true.

Then enlighten us. They're the home team, presumably it's their call. Their coach is the A.D.

[fulbakdad]

Jeesh guys!  Stop all the speculating!  Nobody has direct lines to behind the curtain!!!! lol.

I was just making an assumption that the MWC would have to discuss this further.  Making that assumption, I am assuming they have a weekly meeting (Probably Monday or Tuesday).  I am sure they will be talking about this in length.  And possibly, do something to ensure there is a fair ending to this.

Just like what happened back with Concordia Chicago when Lake Forest had to go back and finish that game 10 years ago or so.  Not saying that is what's going to be the decision, but since it happened once before in another conference, it does give them something to go to and look at. 

And Blue Jay, I would say they would never leave it up to the home AD/Coach to make the final decision.  That could start WWIII.

Again, if LFC wins Saturday, all this is just jibber jabber.  But if they lose, WOW!!!!!!!!