FB: Midwest Conference

[SNCOLDAD]

But will Papa UW Madison ever let any of the other UW D3 schools switch to a scholarship program in football? Basketball and hockey is a different story, but football they may not allow.

[The Roop]

The NCAA would shoot that down SNCOLDAD, not Papa-UW Madison. They (NCAA) put an end to "multi-divisional" schools a few years ago. Certain Hockey and LaCrosse programs were grandfathered etc. BUT NO MORE was the tone to that announcement.

I guess my point is this.............. Restrict Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater to the same facilities that most teams have and I doubt either team would have made it to Salem in the last 8 years. It's only because of a "special donation" that Beloit even has a full time assistant on their coaching staff. Yet the coaching staffs in Salem will go about 20 deep.

I can see a rematch. When it gets to 3 straight I'm suspicious. When it gets to four in a row it's not D3 anymore. Period.

[scottie]

Having spent a brief time of my life at a DII institution, my suspicion is that most differences are negligible - at least as far as the UW___ schools are concerned. 

[SNCOLDAD]

Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities. But it really is interesting to see a Beloit, Monmouth, Lake Forest, SNC, Augustana, Elmhurst, on and on and on be classified in the same division as a UW school or Mt. Union or a number of other LARGE D3 schools. For a school to have a football program as competitive as SNC or Monmouth in a conference that does not allow spring football says a lot to the dedication of the students and the small coaching staff that is not volunteer. Not to mention the rest of the support staff that is volunteer.

[The Roop]

Spring football in the MWC would only mean slippery fields and potential injuries as we don't have Domed Stadiums as the IIAC does. Call me crazy but I've never seen the point to spring football anyway. It usually only showcases the guys that would be on next years team if they didn't flunk out.

[janesvilleflash]

Mount Union's enrollment is 2300.

[scottie]

Having spent a brief time of my life at a DII institution, my suspicion is that most differences are negligible - at least as far as the UW___ schools are concerned. 

Flash: I'm not talking about Mt. Union.

Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities.

DII schools offer athletic scholarships, just not as many as DI.  Many of them also have enrollments and regional locations similar to the UW schools. 

[janesvilleflash]

Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities. But it really is interesting to see a Beloit, Monmouth, Lake Forest, SNC, Augustana, Elmhurst, on and on and on be classified in the same division as a UW school or Mt. Union or a number of other LARGE D3 schools. For a school to have a football program as competitive as SNC or Monmouth in a conference that does not allow spring football says a lot to the dedication of the students and the small coaching staff that is not volunteer. Not to mention the rest of the support staff that is volunteer.

Was responding to this post about LARGE D3 schools.

[SNCOLDAD]

Everyone. Yes I understand. Some D3 schools have enrollments equivelent to the average. I am surprised by the 2300 at Mt Union. Thank you for the info. I also realize the D2 schools have scholarships. Set amount for D2 and D1. The more I see things in this, and I ol=nly have a couple years left, God willing. The more I see the more I think D1 schools should just pay them for playing. Uh Oh. That probably opened a HUGE can of worms. But they really are and then there are pretend guidelines and restrictions.

I know. Go for it. I am ready.

[Pat Coleman]

Restrict Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater to the same facilities that most teams have and I doubt either team would have made it to Salem in the last 8 years.

Mount Union's stadium is cool but nothing outlandish. I would say 10% of the stadiums in D-III are as good or better. Larry Kehres' coaching acumen has nothing to do with the facility.

I can see a rematch. When it gets to 3 straight I'm suspicious. When it gets to four in a row it's not D3 anymore. Period.

Not surprisingly, you make no sense here. How do you feel about Kenyon swimming, then?

[SNCOLDAD]

There is no doubt that Mt Union has built an incredible tradition in football. Hats off to them. I do hope that SNC can have a facility that will be in that top 10% within a couple years. We will see how it goes. SNC has built a pretty good tradition in football also the last few years. Especially if the size of the school is very close, I really take my hat off to Mt Union for what they have accomplished.

I will say this. Each year I am enjoying D3 more and more. The emphasis seems to be in the right place and the growth of the young men and women that play for D3 is outstanding.

[fightintitan2006]

I think the main difference between UWW and Mt. Union is that Mt. Union isn't overly spectacular in any other sports aside from football, aside from the occasional success that many programs find. UWW finds itself in the top 25 over better for just about every sport and just about every sport's top 25 poll is generally littered with at least four UW schools. IMO, this points to the fact that large private public schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically.

[SNCOLDAD]

"large private schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically."?

Is that what you meant to say? I will hold comment until I am sure what your statement is about.

[BoBo]

"large private schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically."?

Is that what you meant to say? I will hold comment until I am sure what your statement is about.

It's a good thing you added that smiley, otherwise we might have to hold off comment on your comment & ask you the very same question...!!   

[SNCOLDAD]

It really is tough, or actually an art, to type what you really mean when you cannot use your voice for emphasis where you intend. THanks for cutting me some slack. I really wonder if that is what he meant or not. Just sounded strange to me. I think I am missing something.