FB: Midwest Conference

[oldnuthin]

I cannot speak for any other school except SNC. My son was contacted by IC, Knox, Carroll, Lakeland, NMU are the ones I can remember. We visited SNC and it was 16 below zero the night we arrived. Take a look at the group of coaches they have. Only 2 are on the payroll I believe. The dedication of this entire group is very impressive. It would be great if the new facilities were complete, but the games are still played and I think it gives a home field advantage. Curious what position your son plays also. Has he decided on a major yet? I would doubt it but you never know. New library and new dorm under construction. Stadium coming soon. The only down side is the school colors are Green and Gold. But I will wear those colors proudly.......... on Saturdays. NOT ON SUNDAYS!     (nice Monday night football game guys)   

Campus is great, but I am sure a lot of them are. And it is quite impressive when you are the only football team in Titletown USA that plays regularly on Saturdays.  8)

I fully expect that others will join in from other schools. Good luck and make sure YOU have the right expectations and you haven't set the bar too high. I can almost assure you that you will have your eyes opened the first day you take him to whatever school he decides to go to.

Thank you for the information, I did not know that most of these coaches were not full time. My expectations for my nephew are that he get a good education and play some football, I hope his are the same. He is a Dlineman and has not made up his mid as to a major, other than he is leaning toward criminal justice. Every one he has talked to from a college, and there are more than those previously posted, has told him that they need dline help, and if they dont have crim justice, they tell him that there are other majors that dovetail into this nicely. He has not heard from SNC at this time. He has a good friend who went to carthage last year and really hates it.  Says it is too football focused and not enough academic focus. His  read is that the coaches put on a recruit face and then were much different when he arrived. This is a big concern for my nephew. I guess we are looking for an easy answer as to who is a pud and who is not. probably the wrong forum for that.

[SNCOLDAD]

oldnuthin, you will get that pretty much from any D3 coach to a certain extent. They all have a job to do and part of that is to get the best possible players without an athletic scholarship and without visiting the student. Tough job when you think about it. I will say that the one thing that SNC used quite a bit was the new facility. But donations slowed down and I heard they are being more cautious about that. With the large donation that was just made I would expect the new stadium to come up again in recruiting. On the defensive side you have a very strong coach. Both figuratively and literally.    Academic wise it is a VERY highly rated school which I did not know until my son attended there.

I will not say it is for everyone, either the school or the football program, but it has worked very well for my son.

[oldnuthin]

oldnuthin, you will get that pretty much from any D3 coach to a certain extent. They all have a job to do and part of that is to get the best possible players without an athletic scholarship and without visiting the student. Tough job when you think about it. I will say that the one thing that SNC used quite a bit was the new facility. But donations slowed down and I heard they are being more cautious about that. With the large donation that was just made I would expect the new stadium to come up again in recruiting. On the defensive side you have a very strong coach. Both figuratively and literally.    Academic wise it is a VERY highly rated school which I did not know until my son attended there.

I will not say it is for everyone, either the school or the football program, but it has worked very well for my son.

Thanks for your insite

[oldnuthin]

If your nephew is worried about it being too football focused, college football is probably not for him. All the d3 schools demand a huge commitment to the program. Managing free time to cover the academic end is key to being able to make it. If he doesn't want to work his ass off, don't go out for the team. The coaches don't baby kids like they do in high school.

I know it is difficult to properly discern meaning when reading a blog, but if you re-read my post those comments came from a friend who has a son  attending carthage. I will expand more to clarify my post. He wants to attend a college where the value of an education is balanced with a career in football. I know this is possible based on some of my own experience.  Based on your response and can only guess that you are a carthage fan or just an unhappy person or 
both. I cant even begin to figure where your last 2 sentences originated from, but to make those statements based on a couple of posts asking for help.... i will just get off your lawn

PS  i hope your name refers to your foot speed and not your occupation.

[The Roop]

Last I heard this was a message board and not a blog. Learn the difference next time before posting.................

Sure we all hate St. Norberts ( ) here in the MWC but there's no need to make it so personal. Last I heard they were joinging the Big Ten anyway, so we at the D3 level won't have to worry about it. Their salary caps already exceded the D2 criteria so they have no choice.

Yes, I'm awaiting your response SNCOLDAD. LMAO in the mean time .............

[oldnuthin]

Last I heard this was a message board and not a blog. Learn the difference next time before posting.................

Sure we all hate St. Norberts ( ) here in the MWC but there's no need to make it so personal. Last I heard they were joinging the Big Ten anyway, so we at the D3 level won't have to worry about it. Their salary caps already exceded the D2 criteria so they have no choice.

Yes, I'm awaiting your response SNCOLDAD. LMAO in the mean time .............

My reponse was to a couple of postings by the janesvilleflash, not SNC. apparently he has the ability to remove his posts. SNC has been very helpful with my questions, and i appreciate his help, so i  can see where there might be some confusion on that. does not say much for the the character and conviction of the guy from janesville though.

[SNCOLDAD]

oldnuthin, meet "The Roop". Overall a pretty good guy. Not sure what drugs he is on but some of them are pretty good.  And I also appreciate the comments. It is a tough decision but I cannot emphasize enough that he must be active in something. Football is great, but anything. This gets the student involved and also for a freshman, they are on campus for around 2 weeks before the bulk of the student body arrives. This gives them a leg up already. I am sure most, if not all coaches keep track of each players academics and talk regularly to teachers. I know my son has to shake hands with either the head coach or the defensive coach each morning I think by 8:00 or something like that. Gets them up and awake for classes, workouts and also breakfast.   

I have no doubt that most D3 schools with athletic programs are run similar to a certain extent, but your nephew needs to feel comfortable but challenged. If he steps up to the challenge, you will know it and see a difference in a pretty short time. Summer camp in August is tough, brutal, tiring, and any other words you can think of. A lot of freshman break and can't keep up. But that is when you see the change. The ones that want the challenge keep going. Even the 2nd and 3rd year players have a tough go of it. But they know what is coming. Gives them an edge.

Have fun with it and enjoy the campus visits. Most D3 schools will love having a player visit and usually have special days for them so they can meet players and coaches while they visit the campus. Enough for tonight. I am sure the Roop will jump in also, but just ignore his SNC bashing. For some reason he thinks Beloit is pretty good. 

[oldnuthin]

oldnuthin, meet "The Roop". Overall a pretty good guy. Not sure what drugs he is on but some of them are pretty good.  And I also appreciate the comments. It is a tough decision but I cannot emphasize enough that he must be active in something. Football is great, but anything. This gets the student involved and also for a freshman, they are on campus for around 2 weeks before the bulk of the student body arrives. This gives them a leg up already. I am sure most, if not all coaches keep track of each players academics and talk regularly to teachers. I know my son has to shake hands with either the head coach or the defensive coach each morning I think by 8:00 or something like that. Gets them up and awake for classes, workouts and also breakfast.   

I have no doubt that most D3 schools with athletic programs are run similar to a certain extent, but your nephew needs to feel comfortable but challenged. If he steps up to the challenge, you will know it and see a difference in a pretty short time. Summer camp in August is tough, brutal, tiring, and any other words you can think of. A lot of freshman break and can't keep up. But that is when you see the change. The ones that want the challenge keep going. Even the 2nd and 3rd year players have a tough go of it. But they know what is coming. Gives them an edge.

Have fun with it and enjoy the campus visits. Most D3 schools will love having a player visit and usually have special days for them so they can meet players and coaches while they visit the campus. Enough for tonight. I am sure the Roop will jump in also, but just ignore his SNC bashing. For some reason he thinks Beloit is pretty good. 

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Quote from: janesvilleflash on Yesterday at 04:07:50 pm
If your nephew is worried about it being too football focused, college football is probably not for him. All the d3 schools demand a huge commitment to the program. Managing free time to cover the academic end is key to being able to make it. If he doesn't want to work his ass off, don't go out for the team. The coaches don't baby kids like they do in high school.



SNC my response was to this post.... that was removed along with  another reponse from this guy. Once again thank you for sharing your knowledge. ik have no problem with the ROOP, these postings had been removed, so it looked like i was bashing you. what kind of drugs does he have?

[SNCOLDAD]

on, I know that was what you referring to. And the "on drugs"was for the Roop.   I would be happy to share my experiences with you. I happen to live in Illinois but if you want to talk, let me know.

[ahig]

Happy New year all.

Interesting article in the most recent issue of Inside Wisconsin Sports about the WIAC's scheduling troubles.  8 team conference, which leaves 3 open dates.  WIAC teams are finding it hard to fill a 10 game schedule because either regional teams don't want to play them or because D-III teams out west, D-II, and D-IAA teams don't want to agree to a 1 and 1 arrangment.

This topic has been mentioned and discussed before, but I see there are "new" posters to this page like SNCOLDAD, who I find interesting, that may have new knowledge/insight to offer.  I'm now five years removed from competing in the MWC so...

First, I will offer my thoughts from my experience as a Green Knight.  Don't hold it against me.

Why doesn't and should the MWC play WIAC schools as often as they can?  Norbert used to always play UW-O back in the day (Why did that change after Purtill's first year?)  I experienced one of the two UW-Whitewater beatdowns in '04, but what should have been a win against UW-LaCrosse in the playoffs that year proves that the MWC has the ability to play with the WIAC.  I love that Norbert has scheduled "tough" non-conference opponents since my interest in the Green Knights started, but after all the championships, plaques, catchy mottos year after year, if Norbert wants to be a top team, play the top teams.  No doubt the WIAC deserves mass props.  Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

Maybe if enough people are interested in this topic, we can start an Internet petition to both conferences to give the masses what they want.  I say bring back the SNC/UW-O matchup!  Keep Ripon/UW-O going!  Monmouth, Knox, and Grinnell should conceivably be able to make a match-up with UW-Platteville affordable, eh?  Monmouth is the top dog.  Go after the top dog in Whitewater.

If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.

In the end, despite the lopsidedness of a MWC-WIAC matchup in favor of the WIAC, I want to see the MWC improve.  Big step made this year by Monmouth this year.  I'd like to see the whole "rich kid with a Rudy mentality" label to be lifted from our conference.

Plus, that's why they play the game.  Always rootin' for the underdog!

#8

[BoBo]

Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

When was the last time a MWC school reached out with an offer to a WIAC school for football? Do you actually think it's possible?   

I'm sure if a MWC school did approached a WIAC school, especially one of those you referred to by the coaches name, the WIAC would jump at the opportunity.  Problem is, I doubt any MWC AD or football coach has the WIAC on speed dial and most probably have caller ID to block in-coming calls originating from WIAC numbers! 

Think Point would rather go to Florida (Webber International) or La Crosse to Cailfornia (Azusa Pacific) to play NAIA or a FCS (North Dakota) for games or Whitewater to Texas or Washington than play a game when they could schedule games in their own backyard, against a D3 following a short bus trip?  Even if it's against a lower tier D3 team from the MWC, as you appear to suggest? I would venture to guess not!!

If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.

Unfortunately, IMO as a WIAC poster, I don't think it would make interesting conversation anymore because it's a topic that's in the Dead Horse Award HOF!!    But, give it a shot posting on the WIAC page...it is the offseason and conversation is a bit spotty...you don't have to be scared of the WIAC regulars, you have to watch out for the imposters who invade our pages for kicks...the same ones are going to read it here, so why worry? 

BTW, do you have a link to the article you mentioned in your post?  I'm curious to read the entire thing.

[ahig]

Hey BoBo-

Yeah, not sure when the MWC reached out to the WIAC, if they do at all.  If that is indeed the case, then I would feel like scolding the MWC coaches.

Two positives in making those long trips:  The level of competition and the prestige that might be associated with playing those teams.  But yeah, I agree that they (WIAC teams) probably would jump at the opportunity to play closer to home.

I hear the "dead horse" opinion.  I hope this doesn't make me an even worse poster.  As I read that article. I just found myself saying "What the hell MWC, CCIW, and NAC!?!"  I mean, the 5 Wisconsin MWC teams have 1 open game to fill each year.  Carthage has 3 games to fill each year.  4 NAC teams have 3 games a piece to fill each year.  I just couldn't believe that was the case for the WIAC.

No official link to the article on-line.  Sorry.  I'll see what I can do about posting it.

[BoBo]

Hey BoBo-

Yeah, not sure when the MWC reached out to the WIAC, if they do at all.  If that is indeed the case, then I would feel like scolding the MWC coaches.

Two positives in making those long trips:  The level of competition and the prestige that might be associated with playing those teams.  But yeah, I agree that they (WIAC teams) probably would jump at the opportunity to play closer to home.

Not sure the MWC coaches need a scolding; they're probably scheduling NC games against teams they feel they can be competitive with.

Furthermore, not too sure if there is a prestige with meeting an NAIA, the likes of Webber International, Azusa Pacific, Ohio Dominican or a St. Xavier OR in UWW's case traveling cross country for a beatdown of a team like Puget Sound (60-7) last season.  They'd probably find a more competitive atmosphere somewhere local at a much better price. Long trips are nice if you can afford them, but how many D3's can continually afford them? 

[footballfan413]

Happy New year all.

Interesting article in the most recent issue of Inside Wisconsin Sports about the WIAC's scheduling troubles.  8 team conference, which leaves 3 open dates.  WIAC teams are finding it hard to fill a 10 game schedule because either regional teams don't want to play them or because D-III teams out west, D-II, and D-IAA teams don't want to agree to a 1 and 1 arrangment.

This topic has been mentioned and discussed before, but I see there are "new" posters to this page like SNCOLDAD, who I find interesting, that may have new knowledge/insight to offer.  I'm now five years removed from competing in the MWC so...

First, I will offer my thoughts from my experience as a Green Knight.  Don't hold it against me.

Why doesn't and should the MWC play WIAC schools as often as they can?  Norbert used to always play UW-O back in the day (Why did that change after Purtill's first year?)  I experienced one of the two UW-Whitewater beatdowns in '04, but what should have been a win against UW-LaCrosse in the playoffs that year proves that the MWC has the ability to play with the WIAC.  I love that Norbert has scheduled "tough" non-conference opponents since my interest in the Green Knights started, but after all the championships, plaques, catchy mottos year after year, if Norbert wants to be a top team, play the top teams.  No doubt the WIAC deserves mass props.  Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

Maybe if enough people are interested in this topic, we can start an Internet petition to both conferences to give the masses what they want.  I say bring back the SNC/UW-O matchup!  Keep Ripon/UW-O going!  Monmouth, Knox, and Grinnell should conceivably be able to make a match-up with UW-Platteville affordable, eh?  Monmouth is the top dog.  Go after the top dog in Whitewater.

If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.
In the end, despite the lopsidedness of a MWC-WIAC matchup in favor of the WIAC, I want to see the MWC improve.  Big step made this year by Monmouth this year.  I'd like to see the whole "rich kid with a Rudy mentality" label to be lifted from our conference.

Plus, that's why they play the game.  Always rootin' for the underdog!

#8

I for one, welcome any football talk in January.  Most of us WIAC guys are reasonable and respectful so no need to be scared.  We have a few youngsters that can be full of themselves but are pretty harmless overall if you don't take them too seriously. 

I give huge kudos to SNC for playing UWW in 04 and 05 and Lakeland, (NATHC,) signed up for a home/home series twice playing them 04 through 07.  I give both conferences props for hanging around the last few years.  It is the CCIW who refuse to answer the phone, especially the Chicago area schools who are within a 2 hour or less bus ride from UWW, that I don't get.  Augie has played UW-P but none seem to be willing to take on any WIAC programs above the mid line.  Considering that their conference is ranked #7 by D3football, I believe, the David/Goliath arguement doesn't hold much water for  me. 

As far as," to be the best, you must beat the best," philosophy, let me just share this info.  UWW scheduled MUC and St. Johns in 02 and 03 when Coach Brez and his staff wanted to see what an elite D3 team looked like up close and get a feel for what it would take to move the Warhawks into that company and the rest is history.  Not to say the a top tier MWC team will follow the same path if they challenge themselves with a WIAC opponent but it can have its benefits overall.  But I do understand the flipside of that arguement that starting the season with a beat down isn't always what a coach hopes for either. 

Finally, considering UWW and UWLC have been unable to fill out their 10 game schedule the last few years settling for 9 games and have even had to resort to scheduling D2/D1AA teams on occasion, I doubt they would ever ignore a phone call from the MWC.     Happy New Year to all.

[hickory_cornhusker]

Part of the problem with MWC schools scheduling WIAC schools is not only having only one non-conference game but there is only one week to play it in, Week 1 since I doubt any WIAC school would be willing to play a non-conference opponent on the final week. My idea is move the Midwest Conference season back a week. Start it week 3 and have it end the same week as everyone else. Then you would have two legitimate weeks to get a non-conference game in. I don't know why we don't do this unless there is some reasoing the Presidents have for not allowing this, I would love to hear it of they do.
Also if you move the schedule back a week you could allow conference schools, by mutual agreement of the teams, to move their conference game up to week 2 so they could have a bye to rest up somewhere in the middle of the season.