FB: Midwest Conference

[SNCOLDAD]

OK warthog, I am assuming the statistics are not just for regular season. Correct?
This is an incredible list. I had no idea. I hope Coach sees this.
So let's see. If by a fluke of nature SNC loses a conference game this next year, that means we go 9-1 or 90%. Right Warthog???

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

[warthog]

The numbers and percentages include both conference, non-conference  and post-season games.  That is why St. Johns has more games than the rest.

9-1 would be 90% for the season and an eleven year record of 100-17, which would be an 85.5% winning rate over 11 seasons.

[SNCOLDAD]

And.......... 9-1 with the only loss in conference would mean???    

I figured there must be playoffs because the Johnnies have so many more games.

Thanks Warthog.

Oh, and that means we win our only non-conference game.   

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

[SNCOLDAD]

I do not know much about other conferences, but it is nice to see 3 MWC schools in your list. How old is the MWC?

[ahig]

Ok SNCOLDAD and Warthog,

Great stats and I'm also excited that Norbert is on top, but...and this is a daring "but" for me, b/c I just made a friend in SNCOLDAD, but...and because it's been argued by other posters not familiar with this conference in the past and it pissed me off, so before they catch wind of this and say it, but.......

How do those stats match up with the arugment "Yeah, but the MWC is so weak.  (Insert school name here) University or (Insert school name here) College could do that too if we played in the MWC"?

Please direct any anger-driven comments to a pretend poster named Nimrod.

[SNCOLDAD]

Come on ahig! We know there is no tougher conference from top to bottom than the MWC!   

You are absolutely right. Over the past 10 years, I would bet that SNC, Ripon and Monmouth all could say under their breath that they have 4-6 conference wins in all probability before the season starts. In a real  daring thought they might think 7 or even 8 in some years. Then if you add in the easy non-conference game that some schools schedule and you add another.

No doubt that other schools have certain teams that the football program is not up to the higher standards of the leaders in the conference. But the MWC seems to have 4-6 that are almost always a sure bet to lose against 1 or more of the teams named above. Pretty good odds to up your winning percentage.

ahig, you keep it up. You can try to keep me honest and not so biased. Good luck. 

Do you make any SNC games?

ALmost forget



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

[hickory_cornhusker]

I do not know much about other conferences, but it is nice to see 3 MWC schools in your list. How old is the MWC?

The Midwest Conference was formed in 1921. St. Norbert didn't join until 1982.

[ahig]

I try to make at least one every year in De Pere, SNCOLDAD.  I also follow them if they play @ Lawrence and @ Ripon.

Holy cow, the MWC is old!  Speaking of that, has anyone checked out that book that was available on the conference website, written by the Grinnell grad, "No Ordinary Conference" or whatever?  It looked really good, but I never pruchased it.

Lastly, if you're a MWC fan, I gotta say again that Out of the Comfort Zone by Frank Agin is a great read.  It was, and still is I believe, advertised on d3football.com.  Good stuff.  Setting is the mid 80's in the old MWC but would bring back memories for anyone that's traveled throughout the MWC to watch or play football.

[warthog]

Perhaps some MWC "old timers" can respond to questions I just asked on the IIAC board.  We tend to hear stories about the terrific rivalry between Coe and Cornell.

While they are close geographically they tend to show up on opposite ends of the football standings.  Were they more closely matched when they belonged to the MWC?  If so what has happened?

[ahig]

Did anyone check out that CC video on d3football's front page?  The college is thinking of cutting football, softball, and water polo.  $600,000 or so in savings, $400,000 of that coming from dropping football.  Can someone who understands economics better than I do explain that?

I thought recruiting, especially at the D-III level, was just as much a business as it was trying to build the best team possible.  Based upon my own humble career, I was no five-star recruit, I understood that, and was told that in my sit-down meeting with coach at the end of my senior year.  I wasn't recruited for my "talent" necessarily but also (or rather) for my tuition.  Don't you think if a coach like Purtill can bring in over 100 young college student-athletes and keep them enrolled for four years (whether they play all four years or not), admissions and the college president are patting him on the back?  As much as football costs, if you're "no scholarship", aren't you happy with a sport that needs at least 22 guys to field a team.  Those 22 (or more, almost always more) athletes are pumping in money to that school.  Or is CC scholarship b/c of hockey?  If so, please disregard.

Thoughts?

[warthog]

ahig:

I think you are correct.  There has been several discussions on the IIAC board about Wartburg and Central loading up with 140 or so players.  Some people have felt it is somewhat unethical and unfair that they go out and possibly over recruit.  Those of us who are their fans say you keep recruiting huge numbers because:

a) You don't know which of those freshmen will be your All-American in four years.
b) Each one of those guys is $15,000 to $30,000 income depending upon the academic scholarships they earn.
c) The bigger your team is the more butts you have in seats at home games and the more recruiters you have back home encouraging other students to attend your college.

So as long as the recruits are academically sound, the more the merrier.

[janesvilleflash]

Title IX

[MWCfan787]

2009 pre-season predictions:

1. Monmouth - an offense that won't be stopped
2. SNC - out of respect for the program
3. Ripon - losing some key seniors
4. Carroll - they've been about here consistently
5. Lake Forest - once you get past the top 4 any reasoning makes sense, i say LFC bounces back plus...
6. Beloit - ...none of them...
7. IC - ...showed any improvement...
8. Lawrence - ...to build on...
9. Grinnell - ...for next year
10. Knox - you'd think 20 mins away would be close enough for winning attitude to rub off

Beloit went from 1-9 to 5-5 but they lost alot of seniors i heard

Alex Tanney QB MC - Offensive POY for 2009 and 2010 and the greatest career in MWC history
Sean Wells DB MC - Defensive POY
Steve Bell - Coach

Also, would like to know how many returning starters all schools have coming back
I believe Monmouth is all 11 on Offense and 5 on Defense

[SNCOLDAD]

All you have to do is swap #1 and #2. 

I do not think a Monmouth defensive player will Gget POY. It is going to be tough for them with the probablity of them being scored on a lot and often. But of course we know their offense will score a lot and more often in MOST cases. (not aginst SNC)   

Last years SNC offense was overall pretty young. Also they had an extremely high rate of injury to starters. They lost a few defensive players and of course AJ on offense.

I truly believe it will be a very good game against MC this year.

If he plays like he is supposed to and stays healthy, I agree on Tanney. But he has to have the team step up for him also. He can't do it alone.

I do think that POY should be looked at elsewhere in the conference other than the top 1 or 2 teams. It seems like that is tradition everywhere. Maybe we could see a great individual player come out of the also ran teams this year. Then again.

[Footballfan99]

I'll put my 2009 Pre-Season Perdictions in as well...

1.Monmouth- Tanney and company will be hard to stop again in '09
2.SNC/Ripon- This is a toss up in my book
4. Carroll- Can be a threat to make an upset of the top 3 in my opinion
5. IC- Jennings will do good things again in 2009
6. Lake Forest- Young team, but can improve
7. Beloit- Finished 2008 very strong, losing many seniors hurts
8. Grinnell- Are there any clones of Bret Maloney in Iowa?
9. Knox- Another tough season for the Prarie Fire
10. Lawrence- Vikings need more numbers on the roster to compete

MWC will have another great year for football come September and I'm looking forward to see a couple upsets hopefully!!