FB: Midwest Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Play that Carroll/Carthage game tomorrow and see if the wide receivers starting in their first game drop the five catches IN THE END ZONE again.

I am not sure you know a lot about how the Carroll/Carthage game went down.

I have something better than that, too -- next year keep in mind that Week 4 is too early for you to be asking about Pool C bids.

[lfcalum]

One of the great things that former head coach Chad Eisele did at LFC was asked that none of our fans, players or any other individual who supported our program, take an active role in discussions boards such as this.  Now, I do agree it can be interesting to read and even informative, but when comments made begin to slightly embarass the program something must be done.  As a strong supporter of LFC football and member of our MWC Championship team, I ask that all LFC'ers who don't know what the heck they are talking about to refrain from posting.  Seriously, show some class.  Good Luck to the MWC teams as the season winds down and Playoffs begin.

[meachscribe]

Pat, reminds me of the national media, for which I believe you work full-time. 

I know nothing about a lot of teams, LAX included.  I have seen a couple SNC games this year. That's it.

I just wonder how, going strictly on stats and hear say, you make such sound judgments.  Sure, this is your "other" business, but as I was reading your bios, the one thing that stuck out was circled around having a love for the small school game, or getting d3 athletes recognition for all their hard work.  Totally agreed that's a good cause, but your statements don't always refelct objectivity and support that I would hope you represent. 

Hey, it's your field.  I'm just playing on it.  But that's where some stumble when reading some of your copy. 

[The Roop]

28-22 Bucs Win, Bucs Win, Bucs Win.................

Side notes from today:

1. Popcorn not as salty as it once was but did taste like it had been around a while.

2. The remodel of the Stadium is great. The pics on the website don't do it justice.

3. On the way home I saw a Monte Carlo that had been raised to accomodate 20" wheels with spinners. Only in Beloit. We love Beloit............ We Love IT.

[Maverick]

To those of you hoping for and predicting a Carroll win over Monmouth today, I'm sorry to disappoint you...actually I'm happy to disappoint you. 

Monmouth 35 - Carroll 27

Found the final score on Carroll's webcast page--don't have any details on how the game went other than seeing that the score around halftime was Monmouth leading 28-7 or something close to that.  Congrats to the Scots, now it's time to finish the deal in the Turkey Bowl next Saturday!

[The Roop]

Glad to see that Monmouth will run the table now. Hopefully that carries over into some post season success. That's probably the only way they (or any future MWC Champion) will earn any respect on the national level. Having seen a WIAA Play Off game Tuesday and the Beloit-Ripon game today. I can't tell much difference between MWC and High School Football. The playbooks may even be the same.

MWC athletes are bigger but WIAA Play Off teams throw the ball better. Special teams play is a toss up.

I believe it was Dolph that pointed out a few weeks ago that football would never be a priority for MWC teams like it is in other conferences. Not sure if that's good or bad but that's just how it is. That being said I thoroughly enjoyed the BC-RC game today. Great fake PAT for a 2 pointer by the Redmen to make it nerve racking towards the end.

The officials let them play today and while I didn't care for it at times, Beloit simply outplayed Ripon to earn the victory in Coach DeGeorges home finale.   

[bobturkviking]

Pat - As a longtime reader of D3 I'm thourghougly disappointed in regards to your growing bias against the MWC.  Your take on the Carroll/Carthage game is the straw that broke the camels back.  As you were obviously not at the game (I'm a Carroll fan, and if you were at the game I'm sure I would have heard about it by now), you would not only know that Carthage didn't even drop 1 TD pass (although they did drop several passes, one of which would have definitely LED to a TD), but you would also know that they faked 4 punts that led directly to them winning the game (as both of their TDs were on drives extended by fake punts).   As far as the conference as a whole being bad, it is clearly not.  There are 3, maybe 4 teams that are at the top and will be for the forseeable future, and some bottom rung teams that will remain there.  Not unlike the CCIW of much of the 80s and 90s.  We may be in a different class than the WIAC, but it is not like we're the NEFC or something.  Maybe you should actually take in a MWC game sometime before passing judgement (and not just a playoff game, or a Ripon/Beloit/Grinnell game with high school offense and defense being played).   Don't get me wrong as I appreciate all that you have done for d3 football in general, but please remember that you are a conduit for the growing of our level of football, and not a decision maker (at least I don't think you are, and hope you are not).  Thanks.

[Pat Coleman]

I am not biased against the MWC, I am simply realistic. Sometimes objectivity can seem like bias if you are so deep into your program. You obviously have a different viewpoint.

I have never said you were the NEFC, and oddly enough, we don't rank the MWC as if it were. So I think we're set. The bottom two conferences (NEFC and IBFC) are head and shoulders below the rest. Until the UMAC becomes a Division III conference, nobody will challenge those two for the bottom -- barring an extreme influx of talent and playoff success.

[Maverick]

Having seen a WIAA Play Off game Tuesday and the Beloit-Ripon game today. I can't tell much difference between MWC and High School Football. The playbooks may even be the same.

MWC athletes are bigger but WIAA Play Off teams throw the ball better.

Roop - You said that the game you watched today was Ripon vs. Beloit and that WIAA playoff teams throw the ball better than MWC teams.  The way I'm thinking this through is since RC and BC aren't really teams that like to throw the ball around (pretty sure both are option or wing T styles of offense), it's no wonder you think WIAA playoff teams throw the ball better than MWC teams.  The QB's for those 2 MWC teams aren't drop-back passers--they're better suited to be running QB's.  If you watched a Monmouth or Carroll game for example, I'm sure you would see a difference between high school QB's and those in the MWC.  Anyone else feel the same or differently?

[Hawk Sighting]

Maverick couldnt have said it better myself.  Yes both teams are an option style offense, with RIpon being a triple option, so when they decided to pass(maybe twice a game) its not something that the qb is going to excel at, since that is not a big practice point in practice.  From what i heard it wasnt a very good game for the hawks, but they did make it interesting to the end with the 2 point converson, and the chance to win the game if there was a stand on the defensive side of the ball.  I do have to say though, as knowing DeGeorge for about 19 years, I am glad to see him win his last home game, but sorry to have it had been against RC.

[papa90]

GO SCOTS!  I was at the Carroll/Monmouth game.  I was impressed with the Carroll team.  Monmouth jumped out to a 28-7 lead at halftime.  Carroll came back at made a hell of a game out of it.  Personally, i think that Carool screwed up and should of kicked a field goal with 5 minutes left, instead opted to go for the touchdown.  They turned the ball over but ended up kicking a field goal 2 minutes later.  If they would have kicked the field goal they would have a great opportunity to tie the game.  Hats off to the Carroll players, they played hard and there QB is a heck of player.  Congrads again to the first ever playoff appearence and conference champion for the Fighting Scots.

[ScoutTeamHero]

Congratulations are in order:


Monmouth College clinches a playoff spot

Coach DeGeorge wins his last home game

Lawrence University hanging half a hundred on LFC

Casey Meehan career rushing and scoring leader at SNC

[scottie]

Too many posts to catch up on for proper responses to all of the main topics over the weekend.   Just a few observations:

Congrats to Monmouth, of course.  But let's not start calling ourselves 10-0 just yet...Awh, who am I kidding?  It's turkey time!  I'll be at the game.

To all of the children reading this site: This weekend was the reason you shouldn't bet on college athletics.  To say I was surprised by the MWC scores is an understatement.

Don't ask the Coleman Mafia about their business.  It's hard to type with broken thumbs.

"Monmouth Football ini 2005!"   [/color]

[ScoutTeamHero]

I know people are entitled to their own opinions, but why would anyone try to tell Pat his are wrong.  I am going out on a limb to say he knows more about other teams and who they play compared anyone on this little MWC board!

[meachscribe]

Suck up!