FB: Midwest Conference

[MWCfan787]

tm343407:  Quincy University

i got those numbers directly from the ncaa website

[PC]

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136705861

If only there was a way the WIAC can avoid this...like scheduling some non-conference schools near by to save costs.......      

map

$450,000 could go a long way in convincing a near by D3 school to play the "non-scholarship" teams in the WIAC.

[SNCOLDAD]

Games for this weekend. I think there are a couple interesting ones. 

Saturday, October 24            Time

Carroll at Knox                      1 p.m.

Grinnell at Illinois College      1 p.m.

Lawrence at Beloit                 1 p.m.

Monmouth at Lake Forest      1 p.m.

Ripon at St. Norbert               1 p.m.

[Redmen09]

After reading that article, and looking at that map, I dont see how there is a shortage of DIII teams in the midwest like the WIAC is suggesting   It would be neat to see Ripon take on River Falls and have a Hawk vs Falcon Triple Option Showdown

[The Roop]

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136705861

If only there was a way the WIAC can avoid this...like scheduling some non-conference schools near by to save costs.......      

map

$450,000 could go a long way in convincing a near by D3 school to play the "non-scholarship" teams in the WIAC.

It's also worth noting that while D3 ALLOWS 10 games, it does not REQUIRE a 10 game schedule. Why not play only 9 games and save even more money. 1 less win doesn't hurt like an extra loss would. Based on some of the comments made in the article it sounds like the WIAC is more consumed with post season bids and potential national championships than it is about the conference itself.

If you ask me that really isn't in keeping with the "Spirit of D3". I've felt that way for a long time and am glad they are finally admitting it themselves. Now before people assume I am wanting them in D2, I'm not. This scheduling issue seems to be a football only problem. Not sure why it's up to the rest of the schools in the region to solve it for them.

[SNCOLDAD]

Why do I get the feeling we are not hearing the full story from BOTH sides on this issue?   

I may be wrong, but I don't think I saw any interviews with other Wisconsin D3 schools about this so that the other side could be out in the open. 

[02 Warhawk]

A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota

Because the size of a school has nothing to do with the success of a football program. Athletic departments don't recruit players within their student population...they go out and recruit players before they enroll.

Here's the 10 best teams in the country....not all that different compared to the MWC (except for UWW) as far as enrollment.

Mount Union: 2028
UW-Whitewater: 9000
Wheaton: 2349
Weasly: 1843
St. John's: 1862
Linfield: 2150
Central: 1423
Mary Hardin Baylor: 2263
Monmouth: 1343
Otterbein: 2088


St. Norbert: 2004
Ripon: 971
IL College: 999
Beloit: 1296
Carroll: 2495
Grinnell: 1617
Lake Forest: 1314
Lawerence: 1323
Knox: 1245

[02 Warhawk]

After reading that article, and looking at that map, I dont see how there is a shortage of DIII teams in the midwest like the WIAC is suggesting   It would be neat to see Ripon take on River Falls and have a Hawk vs Falcon Triple Option Showdown

I think they are suggesting that there's a shortage of DIII teams willing to play the WIAC. I agree with on the UWRF and Ripon idea. +K

[Redmen09]

My picks for this Weekend: (went 1-4 last week  , looking to do better this week)

MC 56 @ LFC 3  (the only chance LFC has is if 21 of the 22 MC starters get swine flu in two days)

LU 7 @ Beloit 38 (In what used to be a battle of the 0-?, Beloit will make a statement, hopefully                               Beloit doesnt give LU its first winning streak since 07)

Carroll 28 @ Knox 13 (Knox will be the new LU this season)

Grinnell 35 @ IC 42 (IC is leading the race for 4th and will stay there)

*Game of the Week*
RC 39 @ SNC 21 (RC kicks 13 field goals and repeats in 2nd place for the 4th year in a row)

[MWCfan787]

02 Warhawk, enrollment matters cuz its more money for nicer and bigger facilities.  UWW's stadium could hold the entire Monmouth community.

Also, I haven't researched this so I may be wrong, but your league consists of public schools which I imagine have much lower sticker prices on their tuition than most d3 schools which are private.

[MWCfan787]

redmen, I know you are joking about 13 fgs but I hope you are about the score too.  That one is gonna be much closer than 18 pts.  I could see this being the game of the year in the conference.

[Redmen09]

The freshman kicker got MWC ST of the week and is one field goal away from most FG's in a season for Ripon, that was the field goal reference.  As for the outcome I think Ripon will win by two scores, 39-21 was just random.   Any word on the monmouth team getting the swine flu?

[02 Warhawk]

02 Warhawk, enrollment matters cuz its more money for nicer and bigger facilities.  UWW's stadium could hold the entire Monmouth community.

Also, I haven't researched this so I may be wrong, but your league consists of public schools which I imagine have much lower sticker prices on their tuition than most d3 schools which are private.

you're right about that, it's cheaper to get into WIAC schools then it is a private school. I would think private would have a fair amount of funding with the sticker price they charge to enroll, plus grants, etc.... As far as having nice facilities compared to the size of a school, that's not the case for UWW. We are lucky to have a few alumni with deep pockets. for that we are very gratefull for.


Plus to quote a prior post by Pat "the Top 10 operating budgets from the 2007 season. None was a state school."

[MWCfan787]

I think it will be a down to the wire game.  Ripon won by 12 last yr, but I think they lost a little more from last yr than snc did.  Monmouth beat Ripon by 22 and SNC by 28 this year.  St. Norbert has the home crowd.  I'm taking Ripon by a field goal.  17-14.

regarding the swine flu, this might be arrogant to say but if 21 of 22 starters did miss the game, as long as the one starter left was Alex Tanney the Scots still would have a decent chance to win.  They've got some good backups.

Maybe Monmouth should do this for the Knox game, to make that game relevant again, cuz one of the best rivalries and oldest rivalries in college football has been dead for 10 years.

[PC]

A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota

Because the size of a school has nothing to do with the success of a football program. Athletic departments don't recruit players within their student population...they go out and recruit players before they enroll.

Here's the 10 best teams in the country....not all that different compared to the MWC (except for UWW) as far as enrollment.

Mount Union: 2028
UW-Whitewater: 9000
Wheaton: 2349
Weasly: 1843
St. John's: 1862
Linfield: 2150
Central: 1423
Mary Hardin Baylor: 2263
Monmouth: 1343
Otterbein: 2088


St. Norbert: 2004
Ripon: 971
IL College: 999
Beloit: 1296
Carroll: 2495
Grinnell: 1617
Lake Forest: 1314
Lawerence: 1323
Knox: 1245

Excluding  Whitewater that means that the average top 10 shchool is 31.9% larger than the average MWC School.  That is not that different... maybe I can convince my employer to give me a 31% raise because it is not that different than the 3% they were planning...