FB: Midwest Conference

[MWCfan787]

whawk,  there's always a stat somewhere to point out that makes any side look good.  I'd say though you need to be honest with yourself.  WIAC schools sizes are an advantage for athletics.  Your conference doesn't get head and shoulders above without an advantage.  Whether there is a statistic to prove it or not.  That's how I feel period.

[02 Warhawk]

whawk,  there's always a stat somewhere to point out that makes any side look good.  I'd say though you need to be honest with yourself.  WIAC schools sizes are an advantage for athletics.  Your conference doesn't get head and shoulders above without an advantage.  Whether there is a statistic to prove it or not.  That's how I feel period.

understood.....i was just trying to get a feel for this board's opinion as far exercising the possibility of scheduling WIAC teams. It's a shame we have to play a conference opponent twice in a year. I don't think any conference will want to resort to that, not just the WIAC.

Best of luck to the MWC this season...hope everyone stays healthy 

[Redmen09]

Ripon tried the WIAC thing for the last four years. last year, and possibly this year, I believe it will keep them out of the playoffs.  I dont see Ripon going back to a WIAC school for their next contract(s) for that reason.

[The Roop]

I think the WIACs decision to start the new policy in 2011 was a bit too hasty. Most MWC teams have their non-conference "game" scheduled through that year already and probably couldn't change even if they wanted to.

[02 Warhawk]

Ripon tried the WIAC thing for the last four years. last year, and possibly this year, I believe it will keep them out of the playoffs.  I dont see Ripon going back to a WIAC school for their next contract(s) for that reason.

Does the MWC usually get a Pool C bid???

I think the WIACs decision to start the new policy in 2011 was a bit too hasty. Most MWC teams have their non-conference "game" scheduled through that year already and probably couldn't change even if they wanted to.

I know whitewater is always scrounging around at the 11th hour to fill it's nonconference schedule up...it's not easy. we already had to play Eau Claire twice last year...once as a NC game.

[The Roop]

You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC and want to help out. But to answer your question. No, the MWC doesn't get a Pool C bid but it's not their responsibility to ensure that the WIAC usually does.

[WSUFan]

It's also worth noting that while D3 ALLOWS 10 games, it does not REQUIRE a 10 game schedule. Why not play only 9 games and save even more money. 1 less win doesn't hurt like an extra loss would. Based on some of the comments made in the article it sounds like the WIAC is more consumed with post season bids and potential national championships than it is about the conference itself.

UW-L played a 9 game schedule several times since 2001... two of those seasons included only 3 home games which is why they picked up FCS opponents for a payday.  Yes, they are public schools... money which comes from taxpayers and with everyone cutting budgets, I think it's a fair assessment for the WIAC to look at less travel across the country by flight during the regular season.  If the prerogative was post-season bids, this would have been done a long time ago.  I'd much rather see my team travel to UMHB or Linfield rather than playing MWC or CCIW teams... but, when you're accountable with public monies it doesn't make sense.

If you ask me that really isn't in keeping with the "Spirit of D3". I've felt that way for a long time and am glad they are finally admitting it themselves. Now before people assume I am wanting them in D2, I'm not. This scheduling issue seems to be a football only problem. Not sure why it's up to the rest of the schools in the region to solve it for them.

You're right, it is mostly a football issue.  It speaks for itself if you think about it... compare it to basketball and the comparative travel costs between the two.  I don't really feel it's in the spirit of D3 to have to shortchange your players one game per season because you can't find a D3 opponent willing to play you.  On the other hand, is it really in the spirit of things to schedule a lesser opponent and not give your kids a challenge to face a better team?

Either way, a second game between La Crosse and Eau Claire would mean less travel costs and more revenue as well as stiffer competition than say Knox could provide.

[PC]

You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC...

You are being a little hard on the man... he does after all have to rely on a WIAC education. 

[02 Warhawk]

You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC...

You are being a little hard on the man... he does after all have to rely on a WIAC education.  

well played....

You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC and want to help out. But to answer your question. No, the MWC doesn't get a Pool C bid but it's not their responsibility to ensure that the WIAC usually does.

I'm not here on a sales call...like I said before I just wanted to see where this board stands on scheduling WIAC teams. I think it's clear a few posters rather stay away from the WIAC....i understand that

[PC]

In all reality there are only about 3(4???) teams in a given year in the MWC that have any business stepping on the field with the WIAC teams.  And as has been implied it might be better for the WIAC to only play 8-9 games than it would be to travel to Lawrence or Knox on the tax payer's expense for what would essentially be a JV game.

[The Roop]

Posters don't make the schedules. It all comes down to what private schools think of public schools. We went round and round about that a month ago. I still think the WIAC was too hasty with the new policy because when the economy turns around money might not be an issue in 2011.

[SNCOLDAD]

All sorts of interesting statements.
1. I have no idea if MWC does not want to play WIAC or not.
2. In my 3 years so far on this site, SNC has played an NAIA school, Wartburg Home and Home and then the next 2 years is scheduled with St. Thomas Home and Home.
3. I personally do not see any fear in that kind of scheduling. Last year Wartburg went deep into the playoffs and this year St. Tom is top 20 and came close to knocking off the Johnnies.
4. It appears that SNC has spread around over the years.
5. Having only 1 Non-Conference game a year limits possibilities and requires years to change.
6. I still have not heard the D3 schools outside of WIAC state their case. It could be they tried but WIAC said no. We just do not know.

[02 Warhawk]

All sorts of interesting statements.
1. I have no idea if MWC does not want to play WIAC or not.
2. In my 3 years so far on this site, SNC has played an NAIA school, Wartburg Home and Home and then the next 2 years is scheduled with St. Thomas Home and Home.
3. I personally do not see any fear in that kind of scheduling. Last year Wartburg went deep into the playoffs and this year St. Tom is top 20 and came close to knocking off the Johnnies.
4. It appears that SNC has spread around over the years.
5. Having only 1 Non-Conference game a year limits possibilities and requires years to change.
6. I still have not heard the D3 schools outside of WIAC state their case. It could be they tried but WIAC said no. We just do not know.

Back in 04 and 05 Whitewater had a two-year series with SNC. as well as lakeland from the NAC.

[SNCOLDAD]

So it appears that SNC has played the WIAC. So I guess some MWC schools are scheduling with WIAC. I once again go back to the other side of the coin question. There seems to be a constant here. At least with the MWC schools. A number of us have scheduled with WIAC teams in the past including this year. It happens that we are not scheduled now with any. Where is Minnesota D3 schools? Or Iowa? Or Illinois. All of these could be just as close. The common denominator seems to be WIAC. Why isn't ANY of these other conferences or schools scheduling with the WIAC?

Hmmm. I wonder where the true problem lies? 

[02 Warhawk]

So it appears that SNC has played the WIAC. So I guess some MWC schools are scheduling with WIAC. I once again go back to the other side of the coin question. There seems to be a constant here. At least with the MWC schools. A number of us have scheduled with WIAC teams in the past including this year. It happens that we are not scheduled now with any. Where is Minnesota D3 schools? Or Iowa? Or Illinois. All of these could be just as close. The common denominator seems to be WIAC. Why isn't ANY of these other conferences or schools scheduling with the WIAC?

Hmmm. I wonder where the true problem lies? 

million dollar question....however st. johns has been doing its part by regularing scheduling WIAC schools.