FB: Midwest Conference

[MWCfan787]

WEST REGION
In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 7-0 9-0
2. St. John's (Minnesota) 9-0 9-0
3. Linfield 7-0 8-0
4. Central (Iowa) 10-0 10-0
5. Monmouth (Illinois) 10-0 10-0
6. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 8-1 8-1
7. Coe 8-1 8-1
8. Cal Lutheran 7-1 7-1
9. Redlands 7-1 7-1
10. St. Norbert 9-1 9-1

Not a whole lotta change from last week. Just UWW jumping St. Johns, but they're getting moved anyway.

[scottie]

I think it's been mentioned before, probably by Prof. The Roop, that Cal Lutheran and Redlands play each other this weekend.  Should we ass-u-me that The Pretty Good Guys will jump the loser in the rankings?  Could that be enough, mathematically, to make sncoldad happy?  Particularly if one of the West Region teams gets moved?  You guys know the formulas much better than I do.

Go Cornell!!  

[The Roop]

Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.

[Thunderbolt]

Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.

One of the problems with that is that Cal. Lu is going in as a pool A win or lose. (So you definately want to cheer for Cal. Lu) The other problem is that it's very unlikely for three pool Cs to come from the West. I'm hoping for SN also, but it is going to take a lot of help.

[DutchFan2004]

Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.

Roop you are wrong on the Cal Lu loser.  If Redlands wins they will be in Pool C.  Cal Lu will be the Pool A.  So if Redlands wins SNC will be 4th I'm afraid.  UST, Coe, Redlands then SNC I doubt that the teams move all that much if Redlands wins.  If Redlands would win and Oxy loses then Redlands will get the Pool A and then SNC could move to #3 or if Redlands loses then will move to #3.  So its not the Redlands Cal Lu loser. 

[Thunderbolt]

Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.

Roop you are wrong on the Cal Lu loser.  If Redlands wins they will be in Pool C.  Cal Lu will be the Pool A.  So if Redlands wins SNC will be 4th I'm afraid.  UST, Coe, Redlands then SNC I doubt that the teams move all that much if Redlands wins.  If Redlands would win and Oxy loses then Redlands will get the Pool A and then SNC could move to #3 or if Redlands loses then will move to #3.  So its not the Redlands Cal Lu loser. 

You are right, there is a chance for Redlands to go in as the pool A if they win and Oxy loses. The chances of Oxy losing isn't very good. Similiar to Coe or St. Thomas losing I would think.
One thing a lot of people forget is that the NATHC is in the west and gets a pool A team also, even though they don't show up in the regional rankings. That just makes a crowded region more crowded and is why I'll be surprised if the west gets 3 pool Cs.

[The Roop]

Since we don't get to see the final regional rankings (thereby creating the need for a selection committee) you need to keep three things in mind:

1. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
2. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
3. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.

NathCon is in the North but has been moved west and Pool As don't effect Pool C selections anyway.

[Thunderbolt]

Since we don't get to see the final regional rankings (thereby creating the need for a selection committee) you need to keep three things in mind:

1. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
2. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
3. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.

NathCon is in the North but has been moved west and Pool As don't effect Pool C selections anyway.

Good call on the NATHC being in the North Prof. I must have skipped class that day.  I've proven that I'm no expert on this playoff thing and I'm not hating on SN or your conference. But there will be 1 loss teams staying home, and I'll be surprised if three pool Cs come from the west. If Redlands wins and Oxy wins as they should, how do you propose that SN (in the club house) is going to pass a team thats ahead of them and just beat another playoff team? SN needs Redlands or Qxy to lose to have a ghost of a chance.

[The Roop]

It's called economics and the NCAA won't have any more west coast teams in the field than they have to. Since they only have to have two, that's all there will be. No, I can't prove this. All I can do is look at the teams that make it, the brackets we get and apply some deduction.

Similarly I can't prove that a bear stole my dads squirrel feeder either. We just looked out the window one morning and it was gone. After a walk around the yard and a couple short strolls in the woods, voila, fresh bear tracks. It doesn't take a Cal Tech student to figure out what happened at that point.

I wish there were more at large bids but until the D3 members vote to change things there won't be. Maybe, for football only, the Pool A criteria should be changed to 8 teams instead of 7 ?? Most "deserving" conferences have 8 (usually 10) teams anyway.

[Thunderbolt]

Similarly I can't prove that a bear stole my dads squirrel feeder either. We just looked out the window one morning and it was gone. After a walk around the yard and a couple short strolls in the woods, voila, fresh bear tracks. It doesn't take a Cal Tech student to figure out what happened at that point.

Maybe the squirrels moved it somewhere that bears aren't hanging out. I know I feel uncomfortable eating in front of bears.

[The Roop]

It's not a matter of where they were eating. It's a simple question of weight ratios. A 5 oz. squirrel could not carry a 1 lb feeder box.

[scottie]

Cheese-Head CSI.   

[The Roop]

Leave it to scottie to miss a good Monty Python joke.

[d-train]

roop - please elaborate on this part: "...unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there."

[The Roop]

There are no viable Pool B candidates on the west coast this year so you get the 2 Pool As and no more.