FB: Midwest Conference

SNCOLDAD · November 17, 2009, 03:32:14 PM

For those of you that are interested, the MWC All COnference names are posted.

scottie · November 17, 2009, 04:25:45 PM

I would like a recount on the two SNCOLs that were selected.

SNCOLDAD · November 17, 2009, 05:49:15 PM

Well, here goes nothing.
scottie, I see your smiley face and will let that comment slide.

I will have to really challenge one of the awards. Coach of the year. When you have 11 1st team all conference players, why would that be coach of the year. I would think that you would have a coach that had to coach! Now take a total of 22 is it? players that make all conference honors, what did that coach do?

Now take a team that has 1 loss all year, was ranked 27th nationally in the coaches poll, a team offense that averaged over 400 yards a game in conference (more if non-con is included), a defense that limited conference teams to an average of 271 yards per game (both of these 2nd in conference), and was in top 3 of the 3 Special Teams categories in conference. That is a COACH! Oh, Forgot to mention only 11 All Conference players!

Of course you have the team that has 14 All Conference honors that finishes 5-4 for the conference year.

Not knowing for sure how selections are made, I will not say much, but I think these numbers say enough for me.

OK. I have said enough. Sorry for the long post. It has been very frustrating this week with play-offs and MWC announcements. I feel bad for those that deserved better.

The Roop · November 17, 2009, 06:26:44 PM

Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Does that mean that you think the good guys (#8) would host MHB (#7) if they went that far? Since the brackets don't have seedings, I'm not sure what's going on....

Even though the NCAA couldn't take the time to make seedings my guess is the good guys are the #4 and MH-B is #6 in the bracket.

badgerwarhawk · November 17, 2009, 07:32:53 PM

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 05:49:15 PM

I will have to really challenge one of the awards. Coach of the year. When you have 11 1st team all conference players, why would that be coach of the year. I would think that you would have a coach that had to coach! Now take a total of 22 is it? players that make all conference honors, what did that coach do?

Obviously the thing that he did was recruit more and better athletes than any other coach in the league.

tm343407 · November 17, 2009, 07:47:36 PM

If anyone COULD be griping for coach of the year I'd have to say the Beloit coach. That program seems to be headed in the right direction and has really turned around since he has taken over.

The Roop · November 17, 2009, 07:52:23 PM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. He has a history of not staying in one place for very long. Turn a program around then look for bigger and better things, etc. The last thing Beloit needs is for Brann to be COY.

SNCOLDAD · November 17, 2009, 08:53:51 PM

tm343407, I will not challange you on that. His being there and building the MWC is great. I suport that. But he is not there yet. Can he be??? Maybe!!!

MWCfan787 · November 17, 2009, 10:11:07 PM

"I feel bad for those that deserved better."

Why do they deserve better? It's obviously the opinion of many and based on the results that they are not the best in the conference. Noone bashed SNC in this MWC release.........and why do we assume that all the all-conf. players on Monmouth were all-conf. level players from the moment they stepped on campus? Many of the 22 were not on this level last year. 7 new starters on defense and still led the league in D. Coach Bell kept his team focused with a target on their back and repeated.

mcwaterboy · November 17, 2009, 11:45:00 PM

"Now take a team that has 1 loss all year, was ranked 27th nationally in the coaches poll, a team offense that averaged over 400 yards a game in conference (more if non-con is included), a defense that limited conference teams to an average of 271 yards per game (both of these 2nd in conference), and was in top 3 of the 3 Special teams categories in conference. That is a COACH! Oh, Forgot to mention only 11 All Conference players!"

If this is how you are judging the coach of the year then let me give you some stats.
Take a team with no losses all year, ranked in the top 10 in every poll, averaged almost 550 yards a game on offense, gave up less than 250 yards, and the list goes on and on. Your argument for your coach deserving it doesn't make much since when the Monmouth stats are better, so that means that Coach Bell does deserve it. You are going to take away the respect Coach Bell deserves because Monmouth got more All Conference players? Correct me if I am wrong but usually the team that wins the conference earns more All Conference players. Don't get me wrong Norbert had a great year and did deserve to make the playoffs

Coach Bell was able to take a group of ego's and humble them enough to stay focused and win every game. True, Monmouth does have talent and the better the players are usually means the easier it is for a coach. But, Coach Bell and the rest of the Monmouth coaching staff does do a great job in making the good players great.

"Good to Great" is a saying that the Monmouth team has. Coach Bell has turned good players into great players. Hopefully you will see that Coach Bell did deserve this with Monmouth's performance in the playoffs.

scottie · November 18, 2009, 12:32:09 AM

What about a coach that takes a team with just one conference win and then closes out with a non-conference win and gets all three POWs? Now THAT'S coaching them up!

But seriously folks... Let's all remember who is doing the voting.

Redmen09 · November 18, 2009, 01:53:10 AM

SNCOLDAD, much repect for st.norberts year they had, but if youre trying to say Purtill shouldve gotten the award over Bell, then the statistical argument is not quite the route to go

SNCOLDAD · November 18, 2009, 09:34:42 AM

Not really the point. Personally a lot of the head coaches spend a ton of time and I really do not think that the COY should automatically be the one that wins conference. I just feel there is more to it than that.

My point was .... never mind. I really am not in a frame of mind to try to explain what I think is a failing in this wonderful system of selecting the best from ALL teams, even though I still have not heard how it is done.

Let it die. I failed in trying to get my point across. On to the playoffs and next year.

The Roop · November 18, 2009, 09:51:04 AM

The football board tends to be quite a bit tamer (fewer haters anyway) than the basketball board but if you've got a beef, I say keep beefing. Sometimes it's better to be notorious than popular, etc.

Redmen09 · November 18, 2009, 10:31:15 AM

There is only one COY award and just because nine other coaches dont recieve it doesnt mean they werent deserving, so i dont think the topic should just die out

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
Not really the point. Personally a lot of the head coaches spend a ton of time and I really do not think that the COY should automatically be the one that wins conference. I just feel there is more to it than that.

My point was .... never mind. I really am not in a frame of mind to try to explain what I think is a failing in this wonderful system of selecting the best from ALL teams, even though I still have not heard how it is done.
Let it die. I failed in trying to get my point across. On to the playoffs and next year.

For most other MWC sports the coaches vote for COY and they all get one vote. If that is the case I can see why Bell was picked for it. Looking at the SNC vs Monmouth game, from not actually being there (as 8 of the other coaches werent there), it would appear that monmouth outcoached st.norbert even if its not the case. i agree that the COY shouldnt automatically be the winner of the conference, because i feel that ripons coach shouldve gotten it last year because we were 6 points from being 10-0, something we werent expected to do. going 20-0 in the regular season is pretty special and not easy to do. it would be interesting to see the breakdown of votes for COY like for preseason conference voting