FB: Midwest Conference

[MasterJedi]

Such a tie would be broken by quarters led. I'm not looking that stat up as it isn't likely to happen. The WIAC figures to only get 1 in this year so that might open up a spot for a 9-1 IC but the strength of schedule probably won't impress the committee enough to get them in.

UW-Oshkosh has a decent chance if their only loses are to UWW and UMU. I personally don't see why they would take IC over UWO in that situation.

[The Roop]

The Mt. Union game is out of region so officially UW-Oshkosh would be 8-1 and IC would be 9-1. Still probably doesn't put IC in but lets wait until the season is a little further along.

[grboob]

SNCOLDAD,

I'm going on record early this week and looking for a strong showing by the SNC defense this week  I say that pride will prevail.

SNC 21 -Carroll 14

BTW Dad, has recruiting young QB's been a problem the last couple years.  Fazio is OK but generally SNC has been known for to have really excellent QB's.

I'm pulling for a strong showing Sat.  Tradition and pride shows up!

Grboob

[Moncolfan]

You are right Roop I should have said 9-1, but I wasn't serious. I don't  care if a wiac school has three losses their second place club is going to be better than the MWC runner up if not the champ. Last  year they probably had 5 teams better than anyone in the mwc. Sorry but thats the way it is until someone wins a few playoff games from the conference.   

[SNC BACKER]

Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

[The Roop]

It's the way that the teams get selected that gives IC a chance over a UW-Oshkosh with fewer in-region wins, because they would never be compared against each other on selection day being from the same region. Losing to Mt. Union never hurts you but playing out of region can. It's a flawed system but it is what we have. Once the regional rankings come out the water should clear some.

[Kilts and Bagpipes]

Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

SNC Backer,

Don't let them get in the way of you either.  What did he get wrong?  I am not saying he is right, you just need to provide more evidence than the empty post above.

As far as IC getting in at one loss.  Their non-con win was over Milikin.  If they were to beat a mid-range team in a competitive conference, then I could see that.  They need to schedule that first game a little tougher and then it might happen.  Those one loss St. Norbert teams weren't getting in and they have consistently been at the top.  I am sorry to say, but MWC is only getting one team in this year.  If Norbert wins this weekend, its all but over in the MWC.

[Redhawk Sighting]

Every year there is talk on this board about MWC getting an at-Large.  It will NEVER happen.  Not until someone from the MWC can do some damage in the playoffs.  Regardless of how IC does, they have not been at the top of the conference in awhile, so that would also keep them from getting an at-large.  MC needs to go into the play-offs this year and crush it and even then the MWC will not get any looks for an at-large.  Sorry to crush everyones hopes and dreams about at at-large.  Not going to happen.  FACT....

[sncfballfan]

Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

2002 - 2004 - Chris Howard
2005 - Marsh & McGuire
2006 - Dewitt
2007 - Dewitt
2008 - Dewitt
2009 -Dornsbos
2010 -New guy not even worth mentioning
2011 - Forgrave

You're right, I need to get my facts straight.  SEVEN new Defensive Coordinators since 2004 (which would be 7 years).  Sorry for not looking up the facts initially as I originally stated "nearly ten DC's in ten years" which doesn't appear to be that far fetched since his average is 1 new guy every year.  Don't call out a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time.  I understand they don't have the funds in the program to throw $$$ around to entice coaches to stay, but look at the turnover rate of every graduating class.  Pretty difficult to build any type of dynasty when players are playing under new coaches each year with new schemes, not to mention, players knowing it's just a matter of time before that guy leaves and a new one walks in the door.

[warthog]

Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

2002 - 2004 - Chris Howard
2005 - Marsh & McGuire
2006 - Dewitt
2007 - Dewitt
2008 - Dewitt
2009 -Dornsbos
2010 -New guy not even worth mentioning
2011 - Forgrave

You're right, I need to get my facts straight.  SEVEN new Defensive Coordinators since 2004 (which would be 7 years).  Sorry for not looking up the facts initially as I originally stated "nearly ten DC's in ten years" which doesn't appear to be that far fetched since his average is 1 new guy every year.  Don't call out a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time.  I understand they don't have the funds in the program to throw $$$ around to entice coaches to stay, but look at the turnover rate of every graduating class.  Pretty difficult to build any type of dynasty when players are playing under new coaches each year with new schemes, not to mention, players knowing it's just a matter of time before that guy leaves and a new one walks in the door.

Just getting the facts straight for a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time. (Obviously not a math major.)

2004  - Not New DC
2005  - New DC
2006  - New DC
2007  - Not New DC
2008  - Not New DC
2009  - New DC
2010  - New DC
2011 -  New DC
8 years - 5 New DC

[sncfballfan]

So maybe "new" should be switched to "different". 2004 had a different DC than 2005.   The different DC in 2005 from 2004, left the program without ever addressing the team not even half way through the year, and a completely new....or "different"....DC came in and put in a brand new scheme in the middle of the year.  Therefore there were 4 different DC's in a matter of 12 months and it hasn't slowed down since.

Those are the facts, which to me paints a pretty clear picture that its not a winning formula to have a revolving door of DC's. This isn't the NFL or major college where players have months of pre-season activities to prepare within the new schemes...

[scottie]

Can we PLEASE start talking about Monmouth again soon???  Or, at least Beloit???   

p.s.  Hey Hog, nice win over Dbq last weekend.  How are you handicapping the race at this point?

[The Roop]

Prior to discussing Monmouth and Beloit, I will mention St. Norbert.

Tanney wasn't injured last year. It was just a ploy to let the O-line and defense improve with time.

Beloit, well, I knew recruiting wouldn't keep pace with graduation losses but the crash was a little harder than expected. They've gone from a program on the rise to a program on hold. Still, you have to play hard now for job security next season. Last Saturdays game, these are the announcers words not mine, "Beloits body language seems to indicate that they aren't in this game"; or something to that effect.

@Ripon, @Monmouth, Lawrence (I might be there) and @Illinois College suggests a 1-3 finish to the season. Why not wreak havoc on the conference standings and regional rankings by going 3-1. I would say go 4-0 but let Lawrence have one so they feel better about themselves. And you'd maintain the 0-home record this year.

[fulbakdad]

Lake Forest has been in every game they've played this year and learned how to win last week.  I'm holding my breath this Saturday, but I've been impressed with thier grit.

[larry_u]

So no one is talking about the RC MC game?  I believe that the score doesn't show how good of a game it really was.  RC's offense did a great job of moving the ball on MC, but had some issues pulling through in the Red Zone.  It's also hard to win a game when it only takes MC's offense 3 minutes to score.  Ripon takes anywhere from 6-12 minutes of the clock and then gets to rest for about 3-4m and has to go back out and do it again.  The offense didn't take advantage of the 2 stops that RC's defence had, before the half.  If they could have capitalized on those it might have been 28-7 at half RC..  But it was a great game and MC is a true competitor.  Being an RC fan and always hoping they win, I will say I came into that game thinking it was going to be a thrashing, and was impressed when RC moved the ball and scored on their first two series, with one of the series taking 12 minutes off the clock. 

On a side note, I watched the game via the computer and the guy that is doing the play by play on the internet does not understand football at all.  It got to the point were I had to mute the sound because of how horrible he was.  Never had the down and distance correct, didn't know that it's called the option not a QB pitch.

Why do I have -1 in karma, is it because I made fun of LU's 1 fan?   

I haven't been around to give it to you, so that must make me think other people on this board think you are a jackbag too......