FB: Midwest Conference

Moncolfan · October 31, 2011, 01:33:19 PM

Once again does making the top 25 really matter??? Other than picking the number one and two teams for the past couple of years it hardly seems that the posters have had a clue based on preseason, and year end polls compared to the tournament. If MC wins their first round playoff game they will finish the season in the top 25, if not they won't its as simple as that. Regardless of what seed MC gets I can hardly see any opponent taking them for granted. This is not last years conference champ. I would say for at least this past Saturday that MC was a top 25 team. They came ready to play on both sides of the ball. The offense was dominant as usual and the defense totally controlled the line of scrimmage. May have been the best overall performance I've seen in the almost 4 years of watching MC play. My only prediction for the Turkey Bowl is that Tanney will have his record by half.

Pat Coleman · October 31, 2011, 02:29:02 PM

Quote from: scottie on October 31, 2011, 09:28:08 AM
OK, Pat. We at the MWC understand.

On a "totally unrelated" note: It must be purely coincidental that after Dubuque gets the VIP guest treatment on Saturday, they've suddenly hopped over Monmouth in the receiving-votes section of the Top 25. I guess beating a 2-5 team 45-0 makes a much bigger statement than beating a 6-2 team 69-14.

They didn't move on my ballot.

Pat Coleman · October 31, 2011, 02:29:34 PM

Quote from: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Once again does making the top 25 really matter??? Other than picking the number one and two teams for the past couple of years it hardly seems that the posters have had a clue based on preseason, and year end polls compared to the tournament.

Really? Hardly a clue? Kind of harsh.

scottie · October 31, 2011, 03:42:50 PM

I think the voters have a really good clue.

(Maybe my Karma will start creeping up now instead of down.)

Moncolfan · October 31, 2011, 04:02:31 PM

Pat, I didn't mean any one individual. I meant pollsters as a whole even though I said posters. Even the most knowledgeable pollsters don't get things right, let alone individuals who just look at victory margin and comparative scores. You just can't go by polls and it doesn't matter if its Div 1 or especially Div 3. At least D 1 schools are broadcast nationally so at least pollsters get to see the teams. What in the heck would any coach from the MWC know or care about a team out east until the playoffs roll around let alone some writer or better yet a fan. (and I don't mean you guys here at D3 - of everybody you guys see the most teams and games etc) Pre season polls are basically a guess based on returning lettermen etc and reputation. If the pollsters really are so great and knowledgeable why wasn't or isn't at team like Dubuque ranked? I think you would agree that teams can change from week to week. At least by this time in the season you can look at teams that are leading their conferences Thats what is nice about having playoffs things are settled on the field, and most teams have to win there way in.

Pat Coleman · October 31, 2011, 04:03:26 PM

I knew you meant pollsters but you have a lot of generalities (assumptions) there and no facts. There are certainly instances where a preseason poll can't predict the future but I'd challenge you to take a good hard look at it before dismissing it out of hand.

The Roop · October 31, 2011, 05:17:13 PM

Only fulbakdad seems to be keeping up here. After further review I'm not waiting until after the season. IC is guilty of much more than texting players. So, while they may finish the year 9-1 the NCAA is likely to render them 0-10. That's why Monmouth needed to beat Carroll to make things official as a loss would have opened a 3 way tie scenario after IC forfeits this season.

The violations are University of Kentucky-like. I just hope that the NCAA finds a way to punish the school and not the players that weren't involved with the wrong doing. My biggest concern, however, is not the NCAA but the ACM. They may just use this as an excuse to tell IC to play their games elsewhere in the future. Leaving only 2 non ACM schools in the MWC.

Off season practices are not classes but credits were awarded as such. When the news publicly breaks you heard it here first. I trust my source(s) plural on this one.

scottie · October 31, 2011, 05:32:09 PM

RoopVegas (tm) may be willing to chalk up a Blueboy victory this weekend against Beloit, but I'm not!

Regarding the fate of IC football, I understand that the Big 12 may have some openings.

fulbakdad · October 31, 2011, 05:41:55 PM

Roop, you blew it open before the end of the season. Bravo!

Guess the demographic of 17 to 23 year old boys seem to talk alot. The only group that talks more are the same age girls. There are 100 or so players on the IC team. Not all are happy. What do you think they talk about to thier friends at other schools coach? WHAT YOU DID LAST YEAR!

Moncolfan · October 31, 2011, 05:54:02 PM

One thing I always like to do is compare preseason with post season polls and to see where teams finish. Sometimes it laughable- I just love the experts, especially D1 individuals and their ever changing Bowl projections! And these people are considered experts?

? If anybody really knew what they were talking about they'd be rich because they'd be betting and winning on games. The original point that I was trying to make is that to a team like Monmouth polls don't have a lot of meaning with the season they are having. They are NOT competing for a top seed so does it matter if they are #20, #25, or number #50? A lot of MC fans are bent out of shape over this lack of respect they aren't getting in the polls. I say win a few playoff games and you might get some. I don't totally dismiss the polls but I just don't think they are not all that reliable. I'd also be happy to learn the actual facts on how the D 3 poll is taken, I was just basing my opinion by what was written at the bottom. BTW Monmouth only gets one vote in the AFCA poll every week.

Moncolfan · October 31, 2011, 05:57:22 PM

In regards to the other posts about IC sounds like a Texas=sized scandal. Somehow Blu must of had inside knowledge and was not relying on the dorm room observations after all. I'm just wondering if he didn't have a hand in it somehow.

The Roop · October 31, 2011, 06:28:48 PM

CCIW board seems to know all about it. Then again IC was in the CCIW at one time.

And BTW scottie I said IC "may" finish 9-1. There are no guarantees until the RoopVegas line comes out.

fulbakdad · October 31, 2011, 07:45:20 PM

The Hells Angels have a saying. "Three can keep a secret if two are dead". I guess the IC coach was never a biker gang prospect.

Spring practices/classes? No test, only credits? Manditory? And it wasn't gonna get out?

Texting like a 12 year old girl to all the recruits?

What an amateur! Hope he spends the next 20 years in a factory. Not that factory work is bad, but they don't cheer for you when you show up on Saturdays for the forced overtime.

The bad thing of this, all the players there. They will carry his cross.......

fulbakdad · October 31, 2011, 07:56:38 PM

And I was told by a better source (not a player or coach from my college) that the investigating team from the NCAA left IC for California, not to build up frequent flier miles, but to put the former Offensive Coordinator under the heat lamp and broke out the rubber hoses! Well, that's what they do in the movies.

FIRE THE LOSER NOW! That's the only respectable thing IC can do at this point. Anything else is plausible deniability. And they are no better than the coach. Then fire them all!

This is D3!!!!!!!

Not USC

TitanPride · October 31, 2011, 08:54:32 PM

Last I checked Carthage isn't in California but when you are only posting rumors on a chat board, who really cares about details?? Gotta have something to fill the time when your son's team is 3-5.