FB: Midwest Conference

[Redhawk Sighting]

Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

[scottie]

Thanks for the all of the updates, I think!  Two blocked punts....really??     Oh well, on to the next victim. 

[TitanPride]

Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. 

[fulbakdad]

Now I have a few minutes to write about the Lake Forest/Knox game yesterday.  The first half went back and forth but I thought Lake Forest seemed to have the advantage on the Offensive side, and definately on the Defensive side.  The Knox Qb was running for his life a lot of the game.  Some stupid penalties (one by my son) kept them closer than it seemed.  The Lake Forest Defense was pumped up by the Knox coach calling them out the day before in an interview.  He said Lake Forest was only a good "statistical" defense and he planned to run all over them.  Well guess that didn't work cuz he only had 60 yard rushing all day.  With today's media, you'd think coaches would know this stuff by now.  It was also the day they were honoring the 2002 Lake Forest championship team that he coached!  I would have chosen my words better......

Scaffidi ran a good offense yesterday.going 22 of 34, 271 yards, 2 td's and one int.  He was poised and confident.  The O line played thier best game yet.  Giving Scaffide time to throw and then getting a definate push on run plays.  Lake Forest ran for 280 yards led by Freshman Joey Valdivia's 81 yards, one of his rushes carrying half of the Knox secondary.  He's gonna be a good one.

The Defense was solid all around.  I am very impressed with this linebacking corps.  They have 4 very good starters and a couple others that would probably be starting on other teams.  They've been all showing up for the games and each taking a turn at grabbing the game star.  Yesterday the two outside guys were just tearing after the Knox QB and the insiders weren't giving much up.  The secondary did well too.  It's a totally different Defense than what I've watched before.

Hats off to the Knox middle linebacker #52, Hendricks I think.  He's all over the field.  There was one play that he blitzed Scaffidi and just missed a sack/blocked pass, then got up and ran down the reciever who caught the ball for the tackle.  Very impressive player. 

On a side note, there were a number of key players on the sideline for Lake Forest.  I was told that most will be back in the next couple weeks....

[Redhawk Sighting]

Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are correct, for that I apologize as i was writing fast, had things to do.  But that is the ONLY inaccuracy in that post.  The rest is true.  And that can't be argued, coaching staff is classless..  Haven't seen one post argue that....  Because it's true!

[gbpuckfan]

Lake Forest
3-0    3-1

St. Norbert
3-0    3-1

Illinois Col.
2-0    3-0

Monmouth
2-0     2-1

Carroll
2-1     3-1

Cornell
1-1     1-2

Lawrence
1-2     1-2

Grinnell
1-2     1-3

Beloit
0-3     0-4

Knox
0-3     0-4

Ripon 
0-3     0-4


Three big games this week:
* two of the conference undefeateds meet: SNC & Monmouth meet in Illinois
* unbeaten Lake Forest travels to Carroll, which needs a win to stay in the race
* undefeated IC hosts Lawrence, which gets it first big test

And on the other end, either Ripon or Knox get their first win. The other circles Beloit on their schedule.

[TitanPride]

Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are correct, for that I apologize as i was writing fast, had things to do.  But that is the ONLY inaccuracy in that post.  The rest is true.  And that can't be argued, coaching staff is classless..  Haven't seen one post argue that....  Because it's true!

Only inaccuracy?  So you have access to a replay system and can see that Ripon crossed the goal line on both 4th and goal plays?  From where I was sitting, the first 4th and goal looked awfully close.  I have no idea if Ripon got into the endzone, but it must have within inches.  On the second instance, the back was stood up and driven back as soon as he touched the ball.  That one didn't look like a TD at all, but I'm sure you are right.  The officials must just be in collusion against Ripon.  How else could you be 0-4?

Also, Illinois College did not originally go for 2 following their last touchdown, as you implied.  They attempted the standard kick conversion, but the snap was mishandled and led to a scum in which Ripon was called for a facemask, moving the ball to the 1 1/2 yard line.  Now, I certainly would not have gone for 2 in this situation, but Coach Campbell decided to.  I can think of at least one reason why he would do so, and it has nothing about running up the score.  Again, I would have just kicked the point after again, but you probably should be more upset with your defense.  This 2 point conversion came after Illinois College's scout team ran about 6 times right down the throat of Ripon's first team D.  Then the D gets called for a personal foul - facemask during the conversion.  You can be frustrated with the loss, but at least be accurate with your description of the circumstances.   

And for the record, I was pretty impressed with Ripon yesterday.  If they can take care of the ball like they did against Illinois College, I think they'll win at least 5 out of their last 6 games. 

[TitanPride]

For what it's worth, here are Massey's predictions for tomorrow's MWC games (http://www.masseyratings.com/game):

Illinois College 48  Ripon 28 (IC has 93% chance of winning)
Carroll 20  St. Norbert 17 (Carroll has 60% chance of winning)
Grinnell 24  Beloit 21  (Grinnell has 57% chance of winning)
Lake Forest 41  Knox 20  (Lake Forest has 94% chance of winning)
Monmouth 34  Cornell 27 (Monmouth has 71% chance of winning)

We'll see how accurate their model is for this week's games. 

Maverick -- if it's right, you might have some tense moments tomorrow!!

Massey's model was incredibly accurate for this week's game.  It called 4 of the 5 winners -- it was only off on St. Norbert's OT win over Carroll.  It was very close on the score of Monmouth/Cornell (off 4 total points), IC/Ripon (off 9 total points), and pretty close on LF/Knox (off 14 total points).  Grinnell won by 6 points, as opposed to the 3 point margin of victory predicted by Massey.  Pretty cool tool - at least for one week! 

[TitanPride]

I've got a question for the board.  Obviously, there is still a long, long way to go in the season, but I'm wondering what would happen should this scenario plays out.  I can't seem to find anything on the Midwest Conference website.

Both St. Norbert and Illinois College are undefeated in conference on the early season.  These two teams don't play each other this year, due to the unbalanced schedule.  Should these two teams run the table and finish undefeated in conference, what is the Pool A tiebreaker?  This situation could also potentially occur for Monmouth/Carroll (who don't play) if Carroll wins out, Monmouth loses one game, and everyone else loses at least twice, etc.

Does anyone know what the tiebreaker is?  Again, there is a long way to go and the odds are low but could make things interesting.

[Maverick]

I've got a question for the board.  Obviously, there is still a long, long way to go in the season, but I'm wondering what would happen should this scenario plays out.  I can't seem to find anything on the Midwest Conference website.

Both St. Norbert and Illinois College are undefeated in conference on the early season.  These two teams don't play each other this year, due to the unbalanced schedule.  Should these two teams run the table and finish undefeated in conference, what is the Pool A tiebreaker?  This situation could also potentially occur for Monmouth/Carroll (who don't play) if Carroll wins out, Monmouth loses one game, and everyone else loses at least twice, etc.

Does anyone know what the tiebreaker is?  Again, there is a long way to go and the odds are low but could make things interesting.

I would be surprised if any tiebreakers were considered for a scenario like that when this goofy unbalanced schedule was designed.  I don't know for sure, just my opinion.

[fulbakdad]

Let's make it more interesting.  What if Lake Forest beats both of them?

I can think positive can't I?

[gbpuckfan]

I will also try to find out, however, it would not be unprecedented.

I believe it was 1985 when SNC played Coe in the title game after the league split into divisions. The teams tied. But this was before the league a provision for settling ties so it was a 7-7 game final.

when the Big Ten had an unbalanced round robin, it used to have provisions for using overall record and longest period since appearance in Rose Bowl for deciding who would get that bid.

[gbpuckfan]

According to the amazing SNC SID Dan Lukes (with the incredibly quick response), the tiebreaker is quarters led.

I believe that was one of them before with the full round robin. He didn't say it, so I'm guessing point differential comes after that, because IIRC that was on the list before.

[TitanPride]

According to the amazing SNC SID Dan Lukes (with the incredibly quick response), the tiebreaker is quarters led.

I believe that was one of them before with the full round robin. He didn't say it, so I'm guessing point differential comes after that, because IIRC that was on the list before.

Thanks to you and Mr. Lukes!  Good to know.

[TitanPride]

Let's make it more interesting.  What if Lake Forest beats both of them?

I can think positive can't I?

If that happens, I'm guessing there would be no controversy -- the Forresters would be playoff bound!