FB: Midwest Conference

[tm343407]

I think a 9-1 Monmouth gets in for sure. A 9-1 SNC team, with their only loss to Monmouth who would win the three-way tie, still has a pretty good chance esp. for a conference that has never had an at-large bid before.

[scottie]

Anyone know when the regional rankings come out? 

[The Roop]

Week 8.

[MWCfan787]

yeah, it's like the wednesday after week 8 games going into week 9

and if Monmouth loses to Ripon, you might see the biggest drop ever in the poll.  Has anyone ever gone from 11th to not even receiving votes, because knowing this poll that might happen.

just can't see how a 9-1 Monmouth team definitely gets in

[coco]

Are you talking about not getting into the playoffs? The MWC will definitely have a team in the playoffs, as you are an AQ conference. The conference winner automatically goes.

[scottie]

Not so fast, my friend!  Give us a little credit, coco.     The discussion is revolving around the three teams which could possibly finish 9-1, and what might happen if two teams ended the season with that record.  Could the MWC send a team into Pool C in addition to the automatic qualifier?  THAT is the question.

[coco]

Sorry. I should have read more of the previous posts.

Of course you could get a C bid. Those are up to the committee, but there aren't very many of them, and you have to be pretty darn good to get one of the few there are. Maybe like three in the country.

When 3 teams end in a tie, most conferences use the Rose Bowl Rule, and take the team that hasn't been in the longest time. Depends on how your conference decides.

[SNCOLDAD]

coco, I think you missed too much of previous conversations. Most of the posters here understand that MWC has an AQ. Also there are even some I bet that know the tie breaker specific to the MWC. What they are saying is there a chance that the MWC could have a 2nd qualifier by performance this year. You seem to be talking in generalities. There actually are some pretty knowledgeable people on this board. I am not one of them.
I have a very bad feeling that since Wartburg lost last week, that was a HUGE blow to SNC in getting an at large. Even if SNC runs the table the rest of the year. That also has an effect on Monmouth as Wartburg beat Loras, MC's only non-con opponent.

There are a lot of ifs out there but right now only Monmouth and Ripon control there own destiny.

[coco]

coco, I think you missed too much of previous conversations. Most of the posters here understand that MWC has an AQ. Also there are even some I bet that know the tie breaker specific to the MWC. What they are saying is there a chance that the MWC could have a 2nd qualifier by performance this year. You seem to be talking in generalities. There actually are some pretty knowledgeable people on this board. I am not one of them.
I have a very bad feeling that since Wartburg lost last week, that was a HUGE blow to SNC in getting an at large. Even if SNC runs the table the rest of the year. That also has an effect on Monmouth as Wartburg beat Loras, MC's only non-con opponent.

There are a lot of ifs out there but right now only Monmouth and Ripon control there own destiny.

You're right, SNCOLDAD. Thanks. I haven't been reading this board the past few days as much as I normally do. I do realize the effect that Wartburg's loss has on the MWC, however. Wartburg is having a strange year.

The MWC seems to be improving immensely, and maybe this is the year that they'll get a pool C bid.

[SNCOLDAD]

One can only hope coco. One can only hope

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

[Scots4]

I do not think the MWC deserves 2 teams.

[SNCOLDAD]

That really is too bad scots4. I would have thought you would want every opportunity for your team to go to the tourney. And also any other team to represent the conference you are a member of. I am curious as to why you feel that way.

Especially if you consider this scenario. Ripon beats MC this weekend. Next weekend SNC beats Ripon. 3 way tie for MWC. Now throw in that due to MWC rules Monmouth does not represent the conference in the tourney. ( by the way, I do not know the tie breakers in the MWC )

At that time would you think that the MWC deserves 2 teams?

Just curious. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I do not think the MWC deserves 2 teams.

Conferences don't get Pool C bids; teams do.  Obviously, teams in weak conferences are at a disadvantage, since their credentials will be weaker.  This MIGHT be an exception for the MWC.  I doubt the non-AQ team(s) will get a bid, but there may be a stronger case than any other year I can recall.

If the MWC does have a 9-1 runner-up, GOOD LUCK!

[MWCfan787]

i feel that same way as Yspi: a 9-1 conference runner up which can only be snc or mc (if ripon is runner up they would be 8-2) would be very lucky if they got in, i thought snc had a better chance a few weeks ago, but their Wartburg win is looking less and less valuable.

Monmouth was 9-1 in 2004 and did not get in, though I think that may have been the last yr the tourney was only 28 teams.  I think it switched to 32 in 2005.

Though I do think the top 3 in the conf. have improved alot and are alot closer to the playing level of nationally elite teams and conferences.  Heck, I think Monmouth is on that level this year!  You can prolly only name 20 or so teams that would make nervous if MC had to play them this year.  The only teams that would cause me to put money down against the Scots this year would be the top 7 in the poll right now and maybe 2 or 3 others, and that's out of 238 teams or so!  Those feelings may be affected by my bias a little, but that's still impressive.

To say the conference doesn't deserve two teams and be serious (I'm not sure if you are scots4), well then I'm not sure how you can call yourself a fan of the conference.  Monmouth-St. Norbert-Ripon games have produced many closely contested games the last few yrs.  If one can get in why can't one more?  Maybe you think we don't even deserve an AQ.

[The Roop]

I agree that Ripons only way in would be via the AQ. If so then SNC would be out of Pool C consideration with 2 losses. The Scots then become fans of many teams. Whitewater, Wheaton, St. Johns, whomever plays St. Thomas, Linfield, Occidental, whomever plays Redlands and finally Oshkosh.