FB: Midwest Conference

[hickory_cornhusker]

DAD, In the second half of the Scots/Redman battle, Ripon ran a play (for a couple of yards by Mitchell, QB) the officials threw a flag and decided that "we better let RC run that play again" with little explanation to viewers.

The play by play broadcasters indicate the offiials would tack on an additional yard to a MC penalty every once and awhile. (A 15 yard PP would be marched off to sixteen yards...) So be careful of this officiating crew if they go into the postseason. Holding calls and personal fouls were not necessary in this game, way too many Scots. Let's get this out of our system.

I was also at the Ripon/MOnmouth game, and here is what happened on that play.  The refs blew an inadvertant whistle,(because those refs are horrible!)  they blew the whistle as our back was tackled, however the QB had pulled the ball and was running around the corner.  I know that they did a "redo" which I am still not sure about that call either.  However, the adding on yards here and there is not true!  That can't happen.  Now I will say that there were a few bad calls in that game.  I think the 15 yard personal on Monmouths LB for the shot to our QB in the middle of the field for helmet to helmet was a little off.  I personally felt that it was a great hit. 

Monmouth is a great team!  You take away the 2 Ripon possessions that resulted in fumbles and 14 points for Monmouth and we have a different game.  "If frogs had wings they wouldn't womp there a$$ everytime they moved" quote from a coach I know .  So you can't play the if card, however I felt that it was a very well played game on both sides.

Off subject....

Does it upset ANYONE else on this board to sit at a game and have to listen to the other fans/parents that obviously know NOTHING about football start yelling things and talking?  Yesterday I almost lost it, I think that along with the sportsmanship speach the announcer does every game he should also say....
"If you know nothing about football or know very little about what is actually going on, please KEEP YOUR MOUTHS shut and just cheer for your friend/son/relative".

Have a great Sunday and I look forward for next Saturday when Ripon takes on the NUBS!!!
 

I more have that problem in basketball since I know basketball better than football. It isn't always the other team's fans either. I sometimes have problems with fans of my own team too. Especially those that think there is no possible way their son could ever commit a foul.

[SNCOLDAD]

Good Morning all. I got a good nights sleep and actually did some work that needed to get done handled this morning.

Concerning fans that don't know football. I will back off on that one. I will not begrudge a fan that cheers for their player or team in a classy fashion.

But DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT yell bad things at opposing players or teams. DO NOT have the name calling.

Do appreciate a good play by either side. When your player is blocked out of a play that springs the other team for 20 yards, you don't have to call foul every time. Quietly think to yourself and appreciate the good play set-up that you just witnessed.

In D3, especially in D3, this is a game. What you see on the field is a bunch of guys that work their butts off to play a game. They don't get tuition paid for to do this. They are not on prime time Saturday TV. They are not playing in front of 80,000 fans (unless you are Delaware State this week) 

Yell at the timekeeper or the refs. Yell FOR your kid or team. But do not call opposing players names loud enough for the entire stadium to hear.

In the situation yesterday, if looks could kill, the timekeeper would have been in severe pain by the stare he got from the head coach of Carroll at the end of the 1st half. His own head coach was ready to hang him for the constant mistakes being made.

So, cheer. Cheer loud in a positive way. Even if you don't know the game.    Then I say learn the game. 

Do not put down any player on the field for them playing a very rough sport. If they do something dirty, yell. But make sure that if one of your own players does the same thing, yell at him also. At worst, do not scream if a flag is thrown against your own player for dirty play.

scottie, thanks for the bad news last night about Wartburg. That Hurt. Darn it.

Also sounds like the battle of Minnesota Saints was a heck of a game.

But as far as I am concerned, I attended a game that the outcome was unreal. And I applaud the coaches and teams for the halftime adjustments made. If for no other reason than all that great play in the 2nd half shut up a certain beret clad fan that a lot of people wanted to shoot.   

[scottie]

Sorry to share BAD news, SNCOLDAD.  It had to be done.  I'm honest, even if it hurts.  Probably why my karma rarely gets over a baker's dozen - - not that I'm campaigning or anything.   

The sun is out and it's a little warmer today, so I'm going to give the golf clubs one last trip around the course.  Will check back later this p.m. to check out the wild 'n crazy Top 25.  C'mon voters, do the right thing!

[Footballfan99]

SNOLDAD, it is an actual NCAA offical that works as the time keeper at any event that being a football or basketball game. So I would assume either both Carroll or SNC would love to send a letter to the officals to imform them of the mistakes being made by one of there own. On the game yesterday I was not able to attend but was gettting constant updates and when i saw Carroll was up 20 to 0 at half it gave me goosebumps to actually think Carroll would win the big game, but just as it was with my 4 years there we were never able to get over that hump in the big game that could do wonders for the program. I know SNC made some adjustments at half that obviously made the difference in the game, but I just wish Carroll would get some consistent play this season and show what they did last was not a fluke by finishing 7-3 and playing there hearts in each of those games. Again congrats on great comeback win, but for some reason this weekend for me personally isn't going over very well, first Carroll than ND when will it END!!!!

[badgerwarhawk]

Perhaps things are done differently in the MWC, I don't know.  But in the WIAC the home school provides the time keeper for football and basketball games.  It's not an NCAA official but generally someone from the school or community who does it.  I know this is done in WW because I have done football as the backup when the regular person, a university employee, is unavailable and I am the regular timer for both the men's and women's basketball teams.

I can't speak for others but I know that I feel really lousy when I've made a mistake.  You try to do it perfectly but we are human beings and sometimes you simply screw up.  If you do screw up you just hope it can be corrected and that it doesn't influence the outcome of the game.  However if you're screwing up multiple times in a game there's a problem.  

[bombsovertrees]

If there is an age requirement, than the crew at the GC-LFC game should be in the officiating retirement home.
The referee (age guessed at 80ish) called a measurable first down from 20 yards behind the play.. which he couldn't keep up with. Despite his mates asking him to wait and measure.

Furthermore, it is very VERY difficult to understand that there were five lining up in the neutral zone calls... none of which really looked like it was, and none appeared to have any impact on the play.

The final was the sideline penalites on both teams--- of course, there wasn't a single incident of holding during the game though (even when a player's jersey was litterally pulled off BOTH sides of his shoulder pads.)  

Grinnell converted a 3rd and 22-- I mean the officials converted a 3rd and 22 which gave led to their second touchdown  and the biggest momentum change in the game.

Lfc showed some life on offense the last few weeks.. not sure if it is the kids are used to the new staff, or if they are playing such weaker opponents-- I guess we'll find out this week with the Scots.

[Redhawk Sighting]

SNOLDAD, it is an actual NCAA offical that works as the time keeper at any event that being a football or basketball game. So I would assume either both Carroll or SNC would love to send a letter to the officals to imform them of the mistakes being made by one of there own. On the game yesterday I was not able to attend but was gettting constant updates and when i saw Carroll was up 20 to 0 at half it gave me goosebumps to actually think Carroll would win the big game, but just as it was with my 4 years there we were never able to get over that hump in the big game that could do wonders for the program. I know SNC made some adjustments at half that obviously made the difference in the game, but I just wish Carroll would get some consistent play this season and show what they did last was not a fluke by finishing 7-3 and playing there hearts in each of those games. Again congrats on great comeback win, but for some reason this weekend for me personally isn't going over very well, first Carroll than ND when will it END!!!!

Sorry to bring the bad news, but it is not a NCAA official that does the clock at games, it's the home team that is responsible for getting someone to do the clock.  I have coached college basketball and have been on the field of D3 football since before I could walk and I know for a fact that it's not a NCAA official doing the clock, it's someone that wears the cool shirt, but they are local students/staff/community people doing a good deed.

[MWCfan787]

Lake Forest, IC, Knox

I'd say the MC first string has about 6 quarters left until Nov. 21st.

Or should they let them play the full game against Knox to get reps?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Surprise(?) for the 'gloomy gusses' - Monmouth moves up to #9 in the new poll, just behind UMHB.  Wabash fell from 10 to 18, and W&J fell from 9 to 11.

[scottie]

Gee Whiz!!  Is #8 too much to ask?       JUST KIDDING PAT!  

Is this single-digit ranking unchartered territory for the MWC?  (Can't remember if the Knights were up that high....)     Keep up the good work, Scots, and watch out for the upset-minded foes of the next three weeks.  Just like the Foxy Lady....they're coming to getcha!   

[SNCOLDAD]

#9. Wow. Guess the win against SNC was worth something.    Nice.

As far as the time keeper goes, people yelled that he was a volunteer so I assume not a ref. What gets me to a certain extent is that the official on the field kept stopping play because of the time being goofed up and not to his liking. But he never put on a set of headsets to explain what the guy was doing wrong. Not every mistake was real evident. I am assuming resetting to 40 when it should have been 25 and vice versa. Hw was just as frustrated as every spectator was.

The real pressure for MC in the playoffs will truly be on the offense. THey have to realize their defense will get scored on by playoff caliber teams. Especially if they are firing on all cylinders. That means the offense will have to answer. They will. The question will be is ti enough?

[The Roop]

Is this single-digit ranking unchartered territory for the MWC?

Probably* as there were no national polls when Lawrence made it to the semi-finals in 81.

[scottie]

A little "I know it's only Monday" conversation.....

Some intriguing out-of-MWC match-ups this weekend with implications to the rankings:

#3 Wheaton @ #13 North Central
#6 Linfield @ #17 Willamette

Assuming the #9 Good Guys can escape LF with a hard-fought W (a "group hug" reference for The Roop  )  there might be some interesting shuffling in the rankings if either/both "underdogs" win.   Would the favorites AND underdog stay/move ahead of the Scots?

[The Roop]

While those games will certainly be of interest, I think if you're a St. Norbert fan you'll be hoping for upsets in the ASC. What MH-B does this week won't matter, as it's a non-D3 game, but their remaining schedule is all below .500. Similarly, Mississippi Colleges remaining schedule is also all below .500. Their loss was to NAIA Cumberland and won't effect their regional rankings/selection criteria.

It will be interesting to see what the NCAA does with Mississippi College should they get the Pool A as I don't think they can host a game due to mascot probation.

[PC]

really? on a Monday?

Since you asked... I don't see Monmouth moving much with the remainder of their schedule. 

If North Central wins I do not see Wheaton falling below Monmouth and I also don't see NC jumping Monmouth, but that would be more likely than a Wheaton fall. 

A Williamette win might cause Linfield to fall below Monmouth, but Williamette should not jump Monmouth. 

So my most likely senario for Monmouth to move up is a Williamette win, unless NC also wins and then I see NC jumping Monmouth and Linfield falling behind "the good guys" resulting in no change.