FB: Midwest Conference

[Footballfan99]

Here is the season preview for the 2010 Carroll Pioneers:

Could be one of the better teams Carroll has seen in the past few seasons since going 7-3 in 2008.

http://athletics.carrollu.edu/news/detail.asp?newsid=2989&teamid=368

[Pat Coleman]

We don't post flyers in the dorms or on campus that read "football tryouts today."  

Boy, please!  Nor do most D1, 1AA, or D2 schools.  But no one talks about it b/c they don't come on small conf. boards pounding their chest...  

No, but high schools do. That's why high schools classify by enrollment. And colleges don't. That's why colleges don't classify by enrollment and Duke is D-I while UW-Whitewater (and many others, 25% of Division III is state schools) is D-III.

[retagent]

One of the posters on the MIAC board alerted us to the arrival of btnt. Good addition. Maybe you can start having some fun, and volume, over here like we (mostly Johnnies) have on the MIAC.

Too bad btnt and son didn't look even farther north. Just because UWW, and a number of other WIAC schools have many more students, that doesn't make them giants. UWW is essentially a late comer to the "dynasty" role. Think of them as Louis Oosthuizen, as compared to MTU as Tiger Woods. There are a number of other schools (St John's, Linfield, Central et. al.) who are the Ernie Els, Phil Mickelson, Jim Furyks of the D III football world.

[kubiack78]

One of the posters on the MIAC board alerted us to the arrival of btnt. Good addition. Maybe you can start having some fun, and volume, over here like we (mostly Johnnies) have on the MIAC.

Too bad btnt and son didn't look even farther north. Just because UWW, and a number of other WIAC schools have many more students, that doesn't make them giants. UWW is essentially a late comer to the "dynasty" role. Think of them as Louis Oosthuizen, as compared to MTU as Tiger Woods. There are a number of other schools (St John's, Linfield, Central et. al.) who are the Ernie Els, Phil Mickelson, Jim Furyks of the D III football world.

I like to think of St John's as the John Daly of the D3 football world

[blu thru n thru]

First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome.  I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...

[02 Warhawk]

First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...

you don't say   

[hickory_cornhusker]

First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...

you don't say   

What's wrong with having to learn? We all did at some point.


This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.



Blu thru n thru,
Welcome to Division III. It is a lot of fun to follow this level. It's easy to follow when you are emotionally invested, I hope you stick around after your son graduates. IC has a beautiful campus. However I would suggest that it gets moved north a couple of hours. Almost half the conference is over 300 miles away from it. I've been there three times on trips from Carroll and those are long trips. I'd hate to know what a trip from a northern outpost like St. Norbert is like.

[Redmen09]

Blu thru n thru,
Welcome to Division III. It is a lot of fun to follow this level. It's easy to follow when you are emotionally invested, I hope you stick around after your son graduates. IC has a beautiful campus. However I would suggest that it gets moved north a couple of hours. Almost half the conference is over 300 miles away from it. I've been there three times on trips from Carroll and those are long trips. I'd hate to know what a trip from a northern outpost like St. Norbert is like.

It sucks from Ripon, so it cant be much fun from there either. Grinnell isnt too much fun of a trip either.  Luckily those facilities are top notch or it would make the trip even less interesting.

[Redmen09]

Although from Texas all of those trips are long........

[blu thru n thru]

Thanks Hickory!  I'm having a blast.  I don't do Facebook, so this is fast becoming my guilty pleasure.  Perhaps illustrated by the frequency of my posts...

As for the school's location, the ride is 1/2 the fun.  I remember the bus rides.  Good times.  Of course, made better if we won.  And we didn't travel in those fancy coaches...  For that matter, IC is far enough north for us, anyway. 

I don't let my inexperience, percieved or actual, slow me down.  I go into every season in search of, and with the belief it will bring, a championship.  Warhawk is just responding to his fear that what I'm saying will be true.  Fear is a great motivator.   I am the new guy.  Gotta earn my respect.  Of course, sounding like I'm a few bricks shy probably sets me back a bit in that endeavor.  It's all good! 

[02 Warhawk]

First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...

you don't say  

What's wrong with having to learn? We all did at some point.


This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.

No problem at all...i see your point, and I agree with it 100%. the only reason I posted that is b/c btnt came on here basing UWW's success on its enrollment...rather than it's coaching staff/recruiting. Badgerwarhawk, retagent and Pat brought up a great point, enrollment size is NEVER a factor in college sports. I was just sticking up for my alma mater.

So i'm just saying you may want to learn first what you're talking about...then pass out judgment...that's all.

No worries .  Being from IL, i was glad to see they were able to recruit a talented QB from Texas.

[Redmen09]

Thanks Hickory!  I'm having a blast.  I don't do Facebook, so this is fast becoming my guilty pleasure.  Perhaps illustrated by the frequency of my posts...

btnt, you would have too much fun with staus updates.  your time is better served on here. 

[tmerton]

This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.

I was in btnt's position four years ago when I found these boards, and I never experienced any of what you describe, especially on the MIAC board.  Minnesota nice I guess.  Of course, with btnt, there's the language barrier.

[blu thru n thru]

Hawk-  Like you, I know it's all in fun.  Honestly, I may not know what I'm talking about.  I talk a lot of... do-do.  No doubt.  I may be learning, albeit slowly.  But I got your attention.   And, IC is at least in the dialog now.  Admittedly, I'm bummed that the only support I'm getting comes from a buddy here in Texas.  But it'll happen!  I'll carry the banner alone until then.  Maybe it'll be when Pat ranks us in the top 25 next year!  I know it will only rachet up my rhetoric   But rest assured, I didn't blast anyone.  You'll know a blast when it happens.  But I don't see it occuring in this forum. 

On an unrelated note, can anyone tell me how do you get a picture or icon into your profile?  I know y'all wanna put a face with the name, right?

[blu thru n thru]

Language barrier... No kidding.  I don't know how anyone understands y'all.