FB: Midwest Conference

[scottie]

Well.........at least I don't have a small, red x as my profile picture! 

[blu thru n thru]

Somehow, I knew that was coming.   Can't seem to make that work.  I even opened a Flicker account.  Like all software installs and upgrades, there's always something that causes the IT department to say "Hmmm, I've never seen that before.  You got anything else to do today?  Cuz, I'll need to do some research on this and get it back to you."  Y'know, I'd honestly trade some of my good looks for a little better luck in this area.   In fact, just as I am typing this I'm intalling "Dropbox" on my Iphone. And wouldn't you know, I'm having a sync problem.  Crap!

[fightingscots13]

Blu - while I'm sure everyone on the board appreciates your enthusiasm and 'callin' your shot' about your Blueboys, you might temper that enthusiasm just a touch...go back and look at the last decade - if IC has averaged 5 wins a season I'll be shocked.  Multiple coaches and all their 'enthusiasm' couldn't get it done, either.  And as long as St. Norbert, Ripon and MC are still producing, does anyone really see any other teams leapfrogging them on a consistent basis? 

Am I correct in saying that IC's coach just finished his third year?   

**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 
 

[sncsid]

(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.

You'd have to have only 9 games on the schedule in order to play the conference championship game, otherwise you would have 11 games in the season. But you could go with 5 division games, 2 cross division and a challenge game like the NAthCon has for basketball. 1st in the North plays 1st in the South, 2nd in the North plays 2nd in the South and so on. Trade off year's on what division gets to host so every school would know where the game would be at the start of the year. They just wouldn't know the opponent.

The NCAA allows you to play an extra game if it determines the champion of a league of at least 12 teams. The SEC, Big 12, ACC and soon the Big 10 all took advantage of a rule that was created for Division III to stage their championship games.

[The Roop]

**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 

Typically coaches get 5 years but in DIII the leash is a little longer.

[badgerwarhawk]

**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 
 

Only if he gets a chance to see them move into the dorms. 

[gbpuckfan]

(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.

You'd have to have only 9 games on the schedule in order to play the conference championship game, otherwise you would have 11 games in the season. But you could go with 5 division games, 2 cross division and a challenge game like the NAthCon has for basketball. 1st in the North plays 1st in the South, 2nd in the North plays 2nd in the South and so on. Trade off year's on what division gets to host so every school would know where the game would be at the start of the year. They just wouldn't know the opponent.

The NCAA allows you to play an extra game if it determines the champion of a league of at least 12 teams. The SEC, Big 12, ACC and soon the Big 10 all took advantage of a rule that was created for Division III to stage their championship games.

Thanks for the assist and clarification, Dan.

Looking back at the last 12-team MWC era, SNC played such non-con opponents as Michigan Tech, UWSP, UWOsh, Ill. Benedictine, Drake, Concordia (WI), and Dayton.

Obviously because of changing divisions, not all of those same teams are options (I really don't see SNC playing D2 schools anymore), but 2 or 3 non-conf games against that caliber could help the conference, I think.

[blu thru n thru]

Fightingscots13-
I am perplexed by your post.   Why the heck would anyone suggest that someone should temper their enthusiasm?  I mean, seriously, what about being a fan, or parent, begets the need to temper hope or enthusiasm?  Further, when have I displayed any interest in history?  Not a single posts has ever suggested my expectations were based on any historical data.  My outlook is born exclusively of the belief that this coach and administration are making the changes to address the problems in the very history I wish to disregard.  For it is, after all, history.  And I couldn't care less about it. 

Now, if I were a fan of an established MWC contender, history might be more appealing to me.  Add youth and personal insecurities, and I might be inclined to temper my enthusiasm; fearing the conference is improving and the status quo is changing.  I might worry that the change in the status quo compromises my team's chances to achieve an MWC championship, and thereby my ability to arrogantly suggest that anyone expressing hope, should temper their enthusiasm.  But really, it's just not in my nature to dictate anyone's level of, or reason for, enthusiasm.  Nor would I discourage them from making their beliefs, public.  It's kinda, to me, what being a fan is...

Over the last 15 years, I've been very successful at the pee-wee level.  However, I have never been paid a penny for my X's & O's expertise.  The compensation has been fair for the goods received.  What I do get paid for; is developing winning sales teams.  And I'm very good at it.  Sports teams and sales teams are very similar in their required ingredients for success.  If you know those ingredients, you can spot them wherever you see them. I see them in/with this coach, program, and school.

Will a .500 season be good enough for me?  Not meaning to be evasive, but is a .500 season is good for any "fan"?   I have never claimed that next year will be our best year.  I just believe there'll be progress.  if you read my post, you would see that I said "reason for optimism".  I claimed things like "heightened sense of purpose", and spoke to the conference being "better as a whole".  I'm trying to understand feeling compelled to tell me I should temper my enthusiasm.  I think if anything requires tempering, it would be the arrogance to suggest that the things I see, be they real or not, should be the exclusive domains of MC, SNC, and RC?  And yes. I do believe they can be leapfrogged.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Fightingscots13-
I am perplexed by your post.   Why the heck would anyone suggest that someone should temper their enthusiasm?  I mean, seriously, what about being a fan, or parent, begets the need to temper hope or enthusiasm?  Further, when have I displayed any interest in history?  Not a single posts has ever suggested my expectations were based on any historical data.  My outlook is born exclusively of the belief that this coach and administration are making the changes to address the problems in the very history I wish to disregard.  For it is, after all, history.  And I couldn't care less about it. 

Now, if I were a fan of an established MWC contender, history might be more appealing to me.  Add youth and personal insecurities, and I might be inclined to temper my enthusiasm; fearing the conference is improving and the status quo is changing.  I might worry that the change in the status quo compromises my team's chances to achieve an MWC championship, and thereby my ability to arrogantly suggest that anyone expressing hope, should temper their enthusiasm.  But really, it's just not in my nature to dictate anyone's level of, or reason for, enthusiasm.  Nor would I discourage them from making their beliefs, public.  It's kinda, to me, what being a fan is...

Over the last 15 years, I've been very successful at the pee-wee level.  However, I have never been paid a penny for my X's & O's expertise.  The compensation has been fair for the goods received.  What I do get paid for; is developing winning sales teams.  And I'm very good at it.  Sports teams and sales teams are very similar in their required ingredients for success.  If you know those ingredients, you can spot them wherever you see them. I see them in/with this coach, program, and school.

Will a .500 season be good enough for me?  Not meaning to be evasive, but is a .500 season is good for any "fan"?   I have never claimed that next year will be our best year.  I just believe there'll be progress.  if you read my post, you would see that I said "reason for optimism".  I claimed things like "heightened sense of purpose", and spoke to the conference being "better as a whole".  I'm trying to understand feeling compelled to tell me I should temper my enthusiasm.  I think if anything requires tempering, it would be the arrogance to suggest that the things I see, be they real or not, should be the exclusive domains of MC, SNC, and RC?  And yes. I do believe they can be leapfrogged.

I think he meant "Curb Your Enthusiasm" - he want you to be a TV star!

[Pat Coleman]

Somehow, I knew that was coming.   Can't seem to make that work.  I even opened a Flicker account.  Like all software installs and upgrades, there's always something that causes the IT department to say "Hmmm, I've never seen that before.  You got anything else to do today?  Cuz, I'll need to do some research on this and get it back to you."  Y'know, I'd honestly trade some of my good looks for a little better luck in this area.   In fact, just as I am typing this I'm intalling "Dropbox" on my Iphone. And wouldn't you know, I'm having a sync problem.  Crap!

Problem is you put the URL of the PAGE in your profile. How's a browser going to display an entire page in your profile?

Put the URL of the PHOTO, though, and you're golden. Like I just did.

You're welcome.

[doolittledog]

When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.  Does everyone think it's just a case of Cornell coming home and everything else stays the same?  Or does anyone out there think this is just the first step in bringing together a version of the ACM conference that Cornell and the 7 MWC members of the ACM voted for last year?  

[Pat Coleman]

I think this is Plan B from that attempt.

The presidents all wanted it, but nobody in athletics (basically) was in favor.

[blu thru n thru]

I did it!  Gone is the red X.  Thanks to the many who attempted to help! 

[The Roop]

When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.  Does everyone think it's just a case of Cornell coming home and everything else stays the same?  Or does anyone out there think this is just the first step in bringing together a version of the ACM conference that Cornell and the 7 MWC members of the ACM voted for last year?  

The Minnesota schools were the first to drop out of that discussion due to the travel situation it would create. So a true ACM conference will never happen. Someone at a MN school told me that so for a change I'm not just making something up.

Time for my walk now and a fire hydrant along the way would be nice.

[Pat Coleman]

I did it!  Gone is the red X.  Thanks to the many who attempted to help! 

Wow. It's like you didn't even read my post. I did it.

Problem is you put the URL of the PAGE in your profile. How's a browser going to display an entire page in your profile?

Put the URL of the PHOTO, though, and you're golden. Like I just did.

You're welcome.