FB: Midwest Conference

[DuffMan]

Besides who doesn't like a good old fashioned story of a program resurrecting itself.  Other than the MIAC people that is.

SJU's resurrecting itself...we like that! 

[USTBench]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

While I don't particularly care for MAC picking and choosing what their conference affiliation is based on how competitive they can be, I think sticking around the MIAC for football instead of going independent would have ultimately been their demise. A lot of people don't remember Irv Cross was within inches of scrapping the program all-together, so if it meant getting fat-and-happy on Trinity Bible College and The Little Sisters of the Poor before they could legitimately align themselves with a conference again, I can't really fault them for that. I just thought they'd make an attempt to come back to the MIAC.

That said, I just don't see how a team that lost to Hamline by 10 doesn't lose to Whitewater by 45.

[02 Warhawk]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.

[57Johnnie]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.

That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.

[Pat Coleman]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.

That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.

Yes. Generally if you are a conference member in all sports and your conference sponsors a particular sport, then you compete in the conference in that sport. The exceptions have been few and short-term: Pomona-Pitzer excusing itself from SCIAC football and costing its fellow conference members an AQ for the first few years of the Pools system, Oberlin and Kenyon each getting a one-year reprieve from some of their NCAC beatdowns. But none of them joined other conferences for football, just played as independents for a year or a few.

[badgerwarhawk]

Superior has done the same thing to the WIAC.  First they dropped football when a conference membership requirement was to field a football team.  Now they're leaving in other sports but staying in men and women's hockey. While they didn't effect the conference's automatic bid in football their leaving will impact it in baseball unless we can add another program.  Though right now no one seems to have any idea who that might be.

[AO]

Superior has done the same thing to the WIAC.  First they dropped football when a conference membership requirement was to field a football team.  Now they're leaving in other sports but staying in men and women's hockey. While they didn't effect the conference's automatic bid in football their leaving will impact it in baseball unless we can add another program.  Though right now no one seems to have any idea who that might be.

Staying in hockey is hardly like staying in all the other sports.  Hockey conferences in college seem desperate for members.

[DuffMan]

That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.

Yes!

[gbpuckfan]

DE PERE - St. Norbert College head football coach Steve Opgenorth has resigned his position, athletics director Tim Bald announced today. Defensive coordinator Dan McCarty has been promoted to head coach, effective immediately.

Opgenorth went 6-4 in his one season with the Green Knights.

"We wish to thank Steve for his time at St. Norbert," Bald said. "We're looking forward to Dan taking over leadership of the program."

McCarty just finished his first season as the Green Knights' defensive coordinator. McCarty's collegiate experience includes coaching at UW-Stout from 2007-2010, where he coached offensive line and defensive line, and was the Blue Devils' defensive coordinator in 2010.

McCarty, who was Southern Door High School's head coach in 2013, also coached at his prep alma mater, Sturgeon Bay High School, from 2003-2006 and again in 2011. In his first stint with the Clippers, McCarty aided Sturgeon Bay to the 2004 WIAA Division 4 state championship as the offensive coordinator.

McCarty also coached under current Western Illinois University coach Bob Nielson at UW-Eau Claire and the University of Minnesota-Duluth. McCarty coached tight ends in 1998, and went with Nielson to Duluth to coach wide receivers and tight ends from 1999 to 2001. He also was the head coach of the Eidsvoll 1814s in Norway in the summer of 2001.

[gbpuckfan]

Hockey is different because it wasn't a regular WIAC sport until last year. UWS, UWSP, UWSt., UWRF and UWEC were members of the NCHA until they left for a WIAC-only league.

And, a league that doesn't have an automatic bid - but that's a different topic. But Superior played in the NCHA because there really wasn't a WIAC.

[scottie]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

While I don't particularly care for MAC picking and choosing what their conference affiliation is based on how competitive they can be, I think sticking around the MIAC for football instead of going independent would have ultimately been their demise. A lot of people don't remember Irv Cross was within inches of scrapping the program all-together, so if it meant getting fat-and-happy on Trinity Bible College and The Little Sisters of the Poor before they could legitimately align themselves with a conference again, I can't really fault them for that. I just thought they'd make an attempt to come back to the MIAC.

That said, I just don't see how a team that lost to Hamline by 10 doesn't lose to Whitewater by 45.

That reminds me....I haven't seen any Grinnell basketball news trending on ESPN this week.  I'll have to check their schedule to see what they're up to pre-MWC.

[TwoArmedScot]

It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

That's where you, and many others like you, are flat WRONG!  Maybe you should actually try learning the facts about what happened, rather than just jumping on the easy assumption band wagon because it makes you feel good and better than MAC.  What are you so afraid of anyway?

Personally, I've always been and always will be a fan of the MIAC and all of it's schools.  I personally would love to see St. John's make a long run in the playoffs.  Good for you guys and great to see St. John's come back after a few down years. 

The facts (from someone who was there when it happened): Macalester was pulled out of the MIAC by a president who was, for lack of a better word, absolutely CLUELESS!  Hence, less than a year after that all happened he was GONE!

However, if you want to keep acting like a 16 year old HS girl and hold that against Macalester and everyone even remotely connected to Macalester, go right ahead.  By the way, as far as I'm aware no one who is currently involved with the leadership of Macalester and/or it's football program had anything to do with that decision more than 10 years ago.  But hey, let's punish all them for something they had absolutely no control over.  That makes a lot of sense.   

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

11/19 Bumper to Bumper with Dan Barreiro: http://www.iheart.com/show/139-The-Dan-Barreiro-Show/
Start listening around the 27:00 mark...you might just learn something.

[TwoArmedScot]

What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge. 

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

BTW, I know what a Monkey Stomp is.  I was being sarcastic.  Read grboob's post a little more closely.  http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.9795

[TwoArmedScot]

What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge. 

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp

Ah yes, thank you.  I've been hearing that number a lot in regards to Macalester from the fellas at the MIAC board 

No one on the WIAC board has been saying that.  While we are pretty confident that we'll get a win many of us have come to like the Macalester team after watching the videos that have been posted on bleedpurple's Warhawkfootball.com website. 

I understand that the move from the MIAC to, eventually, the MWC is seen as a negative in the eyes of MIAC people I personally don't see it that way.  It isn't like Macalester thought they'd be able to dominate the MWC.  They just wanted to be competitive.  UW-Superior dropped it's football program and is moving most of their sports programs from the WIAC to be more competitive though travel distances is also an issue.  I don't blame them for that.  Besides who doesn't like a good old fashioned story of a program resurrecting itself.  Other than the MIAC people that is.

Good luck this weekend.  not too much of it though 

Badger,

Something else you might like.  This aired tonight on one of the local news stations here in the Cities:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/

[scottyeagle93]

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots