FB: Midwest Conference

[SNCOLDAD]

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OK everyone. Relax. Yes Sncfballfan has a way with words. A way of stirring the pot! 
And I guess I am not totally out of blame here either. 

No disrespect intended. One thing that I have to remember is that High School football in the area I live is developed different than HS football in other areas. I found this out when my son went to a Big 10 Football camp for lineman. He was one of the few High School Players that knew how to Pass Block.
Option offense is very difficult to run successfully and the QB has to be capable of reading the defense in a split second. Where it is truly effective in major programs is where the option is opened up even more from the wishbone. Demonstrated by Illinois and Juice. Last year was OK for them but this year they have utilized it less often and part of the option is the pass vs. QB run. Has Ripon been successful with it. Yes, depending on your definition of successful. This year they have been very successful with it. I was hoping they would have been successful for a few more minutes last week against Monmouth.
Will they have success with it this weekend? Yeah. They will move the ball. But how much will only play out on Saturday.

I do find the comment about the "Green Knight voodoo" interesting. I think that came into play against Carroll and who knows, it might come into play this weekend.

The request I would make is do not throw all fans of ANY school into one big group and start attacking. We all have fans that are very outspoken and we all have fans that are very fair.

As far as respect? I respect any player that goes out there and gives it their all in a competitive situation. In some ways the most respect goes to the Knox players or the Grinell players that year after year still work hard and yet have a tough time getting that win that all teams want so bad.

Good luck to all teams this weekend. And yes, especially SNC! Sadly I will miss the game.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

[The Roop]

I think the "Green Knight voodoo" thing stems from the fact that they have 350 players on salary their roster and 5 JV teams to hand pick from. 

[SNCOLDAD]

Whoa ROOP. Man are you wrong on that one. The entire program at SNC has right around 100-110 players. I am sure Coach would like more but check the roster on the website. That is everyone. No hidden players not listed. Some players are placed on a no play list for a given week so they can staff the JV. So let's look elsewhere for the Green Knight Voodoo. Like history maybe?

[SNCOLDAD]

Oh, and the salary   comment. I wish as a father. Oh, you were talking about the Hockey team, right?

[The Roop]

Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get you so riled. LMAO. Just a little ribbing is all I intended.

What the SNC hockey players make is of no concern to me as Beloit hasn't had a hockey program in many years.

[janesvilleflash]

122 players

[sncfballfan]

I wish there was a SNC salary that was offerred to the football team, would make things a lot easier on the pocket book right now!

We will argue back and forth all day on the option football. Has Ripon won games over the past few years with it?  Sure, you can claim that they are 25-12 but they have gotten over the top how many times???  Look at the stats that the Ripon qb has put up against SNC over the past 3 or 4 years, it has cost them the game.  You can win all the games you want, but until you're on top of the conference, that is not being successful (welcome to the world of St Norbert football).  Whether SNC finishes 8-2 this year or 2-8, the fact of the matter is they didn't win conference which means it was an unsuccessful year.  Actually, here I will post the stats for you....

2008....mystery....
2007.....  Walters, 2 for 9 for NINE YARDS and 3 INT & 2 team fumbles
2006.....  Faulds, 8 for 22 for 100 yds and 3 INT & 3 team fumbles
2005.....  Faulds, 7 for 17 for 120 yds and 3 INT & SIX team fumbles
2004.....  Faulds, 4 for 18 for 114 yds and 1 INT & 3 team fumbles
2003 & prior..... They took the darn stats off of the internet....

You can claim that they just don't play well vs SNC or whatever you want, but once again...until you get solid qb play, you guys will not win the big game. 

[SNCOLDAD]

Hey ROOP. Just wanted to make sure you didn't put us in the same category as a Whitewater or Mt. Union on size of team. 

Flash, thanks for counting. I knew it was up this year but I did not realize that much.

[Redhawk Sighting]

I read with interest the latest discussion about the Ripon option offense on d3football.com. I was glad to see some others come on in defense of the offense. I'm sure every defensive coordinator in the MWC would LOVE for Ripon to do what everyone else does offensively so they don't have any special preparation for Ripon.

Apparently there are some people that don't realize that the last two seasons Ripon finished second both years in scoring offense, and second in '06 and first in '07 in total offense. It seems to me that moving the ball and scoring is what an offense is supposed to do, and Ripon does it very well. Apparently the SNC people don't get it that we scored MORE points against Monmouth AT Monmouth than SNC did against Monmouth AT HOME this year.



They also apparently don't realize that we're not trying to recruit the QB with the great arm. We're recruiting the HS option QB that can throw well. Since we're the only college in Wisconsin, and one of only 3 or 4 in the upper Midwest that runs true option, we have a pretty endless supply of quality option QBs and fullbacks.

[SNCOLDAD]

Redhawk, absolutely no doubt that the D Coaches all have to change preparation for Ripon's Offense. In some cases a change in personnel is in order also.

I have no problem with Ripon running the option. It is pound it in your face football. Can be very entertaining from the stands and frustrating to the defense trying to stop it.

Speaking of the defense, how does the Ripon defense prepare for all the other teams in the MWC?

And you are correct as far as I am concerned. I did not realize that Ripon has been the offensive machine over the past few seasons that you state. Very impressive. They seem to be able to move the rock consistently and in big chunks.

Now back to the defense........... Aw, never mind.

Guys, every year is different for every team. Rebuilding, working with what you have, injuries and so on. My point is that it appears right now that any of 3 teams could win the MWC in any given year. But they haven't. Does that mean SNC will beat Ripon tomorrow? Nope. I think it could be a very good game. But what has happened in the past can sometimes affect the future. I am sure it is similar in basketball, soccer, baseball and other sports that have been dominated in conference by one or two schools. It was Grinnell in B ball from what I have heard. Do they win games due to reputation? Sometimes that is the edge that it takes. 

I go back to the term someone else used...... SNC VOODOO

[scottie]

Apparently the SNC people don't get it that we scored MORE points against Monmouth AT Monmouth than SNC did against Monmouth AT HOME this year.

With the same result in the Win/Loss column.   

Sorry, just getting a little anxious for this weekend's kickoffs.   

A R E   Y O U   R E A D Y   F O R   S O M E   B A G P I  P E S ! ! !

[The Roop]

Hey ROOP. Just wanted to make sure you didn't put us in the same category as a Whitewater or Mt. Union on size of team. 

No, I would never do that, nor could I even if I wanted to. Everyone knows that those two programs are 1AA (FCS) masquerading as D3s. And yes I know Pat, they both play by the same rules as everyone else but they have also made football such a priority that the rest of the Division hasn't had much of a chance lately.

I don't think we need a D4 but I do think we need to look at budgets spent on a per sport/per athlete basis. My point is: Why do we never hear about the success of the Mt. Union basketball team ?? I'm sure they have one.

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[Redhawk Sighting]

We keep concentrating on Ripon's Offense.  I know exactly what SNCOLDAD was getting at and there is MORE to a game then just offense.  There is defense and special teams!  So for people to say  that the reason Ripon doesn't win against the big teams is just because of the offense is crazy.  

Enough of this topic.

Good luck to everyone, exept for SNC for obvious reasons!

[The Roop]

Good luck to everyone, exept for SNC for obvious reasons!

"exept" for SNC................... Don't worry, I guarantee they will be going south next week. Mark it down.

[The Roop]

C'mon people. You mean to tell me that nobody got that one  ??