FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[algernon]

As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday.

Llamaguy ... You're speaking of Sedler and which other HSC players?

[muchacho]

I don't think GONE is completely wrong about his analysis of Marty vs. Mike Clark. HSC under Marty hasn't completely dominated BC's defense. Although Favret has been by far the most successful ODAC coach in facing BC's talent over that time. In the 7 years before the Tigers won last week, Marty played BC within a TD 3 times. I'm pretty certain no ODAC team has played BC that close over BC's glory period.
Marty also did that with a BC team that never scored less than 30 points on HSC's woeful defense.

Consider 2003...HSC lost to BC 31-28. I'll call that an impressive offensive performance when BC won the rest of their conference games 50-10, 28-3, 41-17, 59-13, and 58-20.
Since 2000 BC has had a ridiculous amount of talent in their program. Thats why all of those lopsided scores were put up that year, and in most others. Take a look at some of the successful HSC players over Marty's tenure like Conrad Singh,  Drew Smith, Charlie Omick, Brian Rolander, Johnny Junes. All of those guys had great D3 careers, but none of them came near the talent of the guys at BC. Clemmons and Ricca were the only 2 guys who stood out in terms of their natural ability alone. The rest of HSC's offensive players got things done because of the system they were in, and the effort they put out. Favret deserves the credit for challenging BC over the years when his team's level of talent wasn't even close to Bridgewater's.

Across the board I don't think BC's talent level is near where it was several years ago. Phillip Carter is putting up big numbers this year, but anybody who has followed BC knows that in most years they had 3-6 guys who could play like he could in the backfield. Gone is right that BC's edge in talent isn't what it was. I don't know if it is equal now, but Marty certainly was able to overcome any gap in talent with his creative if not always successful gameplanning.

[allsky7]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

Marty Favret is brilliant, he knows how to put players in position to be successful and that is the make up of a good coach. Favret destroying a BC defense is nothing new, he has been doing that for close to years (at CUA and HSC). BC just had enough overall talent to win the games against HSC but now it appears the overall talent is even the results changed (at least this year).
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Gone you raced across the line! I said he was brilliant for this game. Now in past years I saw him go for it on 4th down in his own territory more than once. In 2005 he actually kept BC in the game in the first half in my opinion. LOL of him destroying a BC defense being nothing new. Check the stats and talk to the brother of your team's QB. I have spoke to JD and I'm sure he will enlighten you on BC's defense. As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday. If you think the talent is now even I can't wait until the final game of the year when your Cardinals fly into Jopson field. Get back to me after the game on that one. 

     I have seen 4 of the last 5 Tiger/Eagle matchups. No question the Tiger O did a number on BC Saturday. I do not have stats in front of me but unless my memory has gotten worse than I think  , I don't recall Tiger O's "destroying" the Eagle D the games I  attended in the last 5 years.
    There is no doubt Marty is a good coach. I agree with Llama...the game plan Saturday was exceptional. I suppose time will tell whether or not he is "brilliant". When he puts together a D in line with the 70 and 71 Tigers teams to go along with his O and a few ODAC titles, then we can talk "brilliant" perhaps. And go ahead and make some noise in the NCAA's too while you are at it.  As a Tiger fan, that's not asking too much is it? 

[algernon]

Weather for Emory on Saturday:  81 degrees and partly cloudy.  I'm sure the weather will be similar at the other ODAC games.   Sounds pretty hot, especially for October!

[Llamaguy]

As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday.

Llamaguy ... You're speaking of Sedler and which other HSC players?

Smith with 15 catches, Simpson with over 100yrds rushing, and the TE making several key 10-20yrd receptions.

[Llamaguy]

Across the board I don't think BC's talent level is near where it was several years ago. Phillip Carter is putting up big numbers this year, but anybody who has followed BC knows that in most years they had 3-6 guys who could play like he could in the backfield. Gone is right that BC's edge in talent isn't what it was. I don't know if it is equal now, but Marty certainly was able to overcome any gap in talent with his creative if not always successful gameplanning.

I love the way you guys are analyzing talent when you haven't even seen the 2007 team. I'll agree there are one or two positions where BC is still developing or aren't playing upto potential.
Did you watch the video stream on Saturday? Get a clue! BC's talent level has not dropped near as much as the talent level in the rest of the ODAC has risen. Give your team and the league some credit for rising up to the standard. Oh and for what it is worth, in my opinion, BC had the best Freshman recruiting class in atleast 5 years this year. Stay tuned as it will be next year before you can see them get quality time on the field.

[algernon]

Smith with 15 catches, Simpson with over 100yrds rushing, and the TE making several key 10-20yrd receptions.

I thought you might be referring to Josh Simpson, but he is only a junior.

[Jacketlawyer]

Give your team and the league some credit for rising up to the standard.

Been reading the posts as a I normally do, but think this statement is the heart of the matter. 8)

[Menowannalickee U.]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

Marty Favret is brilliant, he knows how to put players in position to be successful and that is the make up of a good coach. Favret destroying a BC defense is nothing new, he has been doing that for close to years (at CUA and HSC). BC just had enough overall talent to win the games against HSC but now it appears the overall talent is even the results changed (at least this year).
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Gone you raced across the line! I said he was brilliant for this game. Now in past years I saw him go for it on 4th down in his own territory more than once. In 2005 he actually kept BC in the game in the first half in my opinion. LOL of him destroying a BC defense being nothing new. Check the stats and talk to the brother of your team's QB. I have spoke to JD and I'm sure he will enlighten you on BC's defense. As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday. If you think the talent is now even I can't wait until the final game of the year when your Cardinals fly into Jopson field. Get back to me after the game on that one. 

The game plan was great for HSC and they executed it perfectly.  It must have been even more frustrating on the field or on the BC sideline that it was just watching the game as a fan!  
But brilliant, I don't know.  I still don't agree with going for two when a field goal will tie the game.  I don't think its really been discussed because it worked out for HS in the end, but that could have been devestating!  Could you imagine if BC was able to run out the clock and won by 1 point because he went for two instead of the tie!  I could see on the road against a better team maybe, but at home I don't know....  Anyway, great job to HSC!
Hopefully we'll have two ODAC teams that can make some waves in the playoffs this year!!

[allsky7]

Give your team and the league some credit for rising up to the standard.

Been reading the posts as a I normally do, but think this statement is the heart of the matter. 8)

     Hey Jacket....sure seems like you have been more quiet than normal lately. Thought with all the surprising Jacket success this year, you would be jumping up and down making some noise. Or are you saving that for if/when the Jackets beat the Tigers? 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Where are the H-SC fans?! algernon is a basketball guy, and allsky7 is a fan of about 27 different Division III teams, so how serious can you take him?

I thought for sure the Tiger fans would be out in full force. Maybe they're still reading. If so, join in the discussion!

Unfortunately, Bridgewater losing three of their last six conference games hasn't scared us Eagle fans off the boards. We cheer and talk about our team win or lose. Same goes for guys like Jacketlawyer and Hasanova. Great and loyal fans.

[allsky7]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

Marty Favret is brilliant, he knows how to put players in position to be successful and that is the make up of a good coach. Favret destroying a BC defense is nothing new, he has been doing that for close to years (at CUA and HSC). BC just had enough overall talent to win the games against HSC but now it appears the overall talent is even the results changed (at least this year).
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Gone you raced across the line! I said he was brilliant for this game. Now in past years I saw him go for it on 4th down in his own territory more than once. In 2005 he actually kept BC in the game in the first half in my opinion. LOL of him destroying a BC defense being nothing new. Check the stats and talk to the brother of your team's QB. I have spoke to JD and I'm sure he will enlighten you on BC's defense. As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday. If you think the talent is now even I can't wait until the final game of the year when your Cardinals fly into Jopson field. Get back to me after the game on that one. 

The game plan was great for HSC and they executed it perfectly.  It must have been even more frustrating on the field or on the BC sideline that it was just watching the game as a fan!  
But brilliant, I don't know.  I still don't agree with going for two when a field goal will tie the game.  I don't think its really been discussed because it worked out for HS in the end, but that could have been devestating!  Could you imagine if BC was able to run out the clock and won by 1 point because he went for two instead of the tie!  I could see on the road against a better team maybe, but at home I don't know....  Anyway, great job to HSC!
Hopefully we'll have two ODAC teams that can make some waves in the playoffs this year!!

     You mean PAT.  As for going for two.... not sure I would have done that either but like Boise St, when it works it's "brilliant". (oh no...not the B word again ) And it is in line with Marty's MO in the past. I have seen "Martyball" work and have seen it fail. Live by the sword....die by the sword. I guess the thinking was with 6 minutes left in the game the Tigers could get the ball back. The O HAD been moving the ball all day. This time, it worked out.

[Jacketlawyer]

Hey Jacket....sure seems like you have been more quiet than normal lately. Thought with all the surprising Jacket success this year, you would be jumping up and down making some noise. Or are you saving that for if/when the Jackets beat the Tigers? 

Don't think for one minute I've forgotten about you, bud!   You'll be hearing from me!

No, I'm quietly enjoying the Jackets' success to date; I'm very happy about it. 8)  I figure we've got to get to 6 wins before I can start the trash-talkin'!

[allsky7]

Where are the H-SC fans?! algernon is a basketball guy, and allsky7 is a fan of about 27 different Division III teams, so how serious can you take him?

I thought for sure the Tiger fans would be out in full force. Maybe they're still reading. If so, join in the discussion!

Unfortunately, Bridgewater losing three of their last six conference games hasn't scared us Eagle fans off the boards. We cheer and talk about our team win or lose. Same goes for guys like Jacketlawyer and Hasanova. Great and loyal fans.

     Only 3 kid....only 3!! 

AA Ferrum
BA Maryville

     I didn't officially get a degree from H-S but got a hell of an education there!! 

[Llamaguy]

Smith with 15 catches, Simpson with over 100yrds rushing, and the TE making several key 10-20yrd receptions.

I thought you might be referring to Josh Simpson, but he is only a junior.

Ooops my bad. Damn, we have to see him for another year?  He is a great back! Ryan wrote about a great intervue he had with him in this weeks Around the Mid-Atlantic. Good read.