FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[R-MC Guy]

That's a pretty turse reply Pat. But, help me out. Are you saying that DI players don't transfer to Mt. Union? I could well be wrong, but I think they do get transfers from DIA and DIAA schools. Am I incorrect?

A couple do, but to say they are "heavily fortified" is not even close to being true. Go find the D-I transfers on the roster and report back. There might be a couple at any given time but your assumptions are way off base.

I am not arguing, I'm asking. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Pat Coleman]

Mount does get the D1 transfer/Prop 48 kids.  Anybody else remember Larry Kinnard?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2000/08/20/OSU+recruit+heads+to+Mt.+Union

And please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chris Kern have D1 offers before he went to Mount?  He hasn't done too bad since graduation.  Nice guy too.  He showed up at Emory one time to visit Monty/Stan Watson.

And on another note, talking to one of my profs here who is a diehard ONU fan, it was always stated that Jason Trusnik had a few mid-level D1 offers.

One guy, Kinnard, yes. Chris Kern was a transfer from Division II St. Cloud State.

[Ryan Tipps]

Llama....I think you hit the nail on the head. Despite my previous optimistic post, the reality is that it is highly unlikely the ODAC will be returning to Salem any time soon. Civic Center....maybe.....Salem Stadium, not likely.

And here I thought is was barely two months ago that W&L played at Salem Stadium. Around the Mid-Atlantic, Sept. 25 

Just messing with you, man. I know what you meant 

[beenhit2hard]

Mount's JV schedule is usually 9 or 10 games,,on some weekends,,a game on Sunday,,and another on Monday ,,with Mount's players split into two separate teams  one for each game,,lots of experience for lots of players. This year the JV's were 9-0.
This years schedule is on the unofficial MUC football page .

L Kinnard came to Mount after a "red  shirt" problem,, he lived in and went to school in Alliance, home of  Mount.

Hope this provides some answers

[Llamaguy]

Mount's JV schedule is usually 9 or 10 games,,on some weekends,,a game on Sunday,,and another on Monday ,,with Mount's players split into two separate teams  one for each game,,lots of experience for lots of players. This year the JV's were 9-0.
This years schedule is on the unofficial MUC football page .

L Kinnard came to Mount after a "red  shirt" problem,, he lived in and went to school in Alliance, home of  Mount.

Hope this provides some answers

Thanks BH2H! I thought it was a pretty extensive JV schedule. If I were a recruit who knew I wouldn't see the field most likely for 2 years, it would be much more enticing to know I would play in 9-10 JV games/year my first 2 years. The combination of an extra half year of practice and 5 extra games (compared to the ODAC) for the youngin's is definitely a key to the success of the top D3 programs. IMO

[allsky7]

Llama....I think you hit the nail on the head. Despite my previous optimistic post, the reality is that it is highly unlikely the ODAC will be returning to Salem any time soon. Civic Center....maybe.....Salem Stadium, not likely.

And here I thought is was barely two months ago that W&L played at Salem Stadium. Around the Mid-Atlantic, Sept. 25 

Just messing with you, man. I know what you meant 

       Hope they enjoyed sniffing the turf at Salem Stadium back in Sept. cuz unfortunately, it ain't likely that they or any other ODAC team will sniff it any time soon. Unless of course they come join Stone Station Dec. 15th. We can rush the field to celebrate another NC for MU. 

[allsky7]

Llama....I think you hit the nail on the head. Despite my previous optimistic post, the reality is that it is highly unlikely the ODAC will be returning to Salem any time soon. Civic Center....maybe.....Salem Stadium, not likely.

And here I thought is was barely two months ago that W&L played at Salem Stadium. Around the Mid-Atlantic, Sept. 25 

Just messing with you, man. I know what you meant 

       Hope they enjoyed sniffing the turf at Salem Stadium back in Sept. cuz unfortunately, it ain't likely that they or any other ODAC team will sniff it any time soon. Unless of course they come join Stone Station Dec. 15th. We can rush the field to celebrate another NC for MU. 

     WOO HOO......finally made All Conference.  All those silly and trivial post of mine finally added up. 

[ace]

Players go to Mount for various reasons, as any other school.
1. They want to learn football from argueably the best coach in college.
2. They want to play on a winning team.
3. They want to play where their family can failrly easily see most games home and away. Remember all OAC teams are of course in Ohio.
4. Many want to go into coaching and with their legacy of coaches MUC is a hell of a place
The fact that they play such a heavy JV schedule is a real plus. The games are enjoyable and the crowds are surprisingly large. The parents heavily attend the away JV games.
It is true that the Northeast Ohio area is heavy in excellant football players. But the competition for these players is intense. With teams like ONU, Capital all going after the same players it is not getting easier for Mount.

[willierobin]

"That's a pretty turse reply Pat."

Where's 'Nova, the spelling and grammar sage?
He must be out earning his wage.
It can't be the drink
They said with a wink
So it must be his advancing age.

[algernon]

While the Tigers could have won the Wesley game .... #7 seeds sometimes get into the second round .... the Tigers' loss is generally consistent with what usually happens in the first round:  The #1 and #2 seeds advance.  This year, the #1 and #2 seeds won 6 of the 8 first round games ... and all 6 of the wins were by 17 to 28 points.

The 2007 Tigers had a TREMENDOUS year, with 8 wins in their last 9 regular season games, including a big win when it really counted in Ashland ... bringing home the ODAC Championship!  The Tigers finally lost when they faced the #6 team in the country on that team's home turf.  It's a year that will long be happily remembered.

Smith, Booker, Baumgartner, Brooks, and a number of others will be missed next year, but Simpson, Sedlar, Edlow, Hovis, and a lot of other key contributors will return.  After taking the team from an opening day loss to Johns Hopkins to a string of ODAC victories (with most of them on the road), Coach Favret certainly deserves the COY award. 

[Menowannalickee U.]

What's it going to take to prevent future ODAC teams from getting walloped in the first round of the playoffs?  This is the second straight year the ODAC standard-bearer has been ousted immediately.  I mean no disrespect to the Tigers; the accounts of the game on this board indicate the it was closer than the score illustrates. 8)

I know we've covered this before in prior posts, but the timing is right to revisit the topic, especially since it's a year later, and hopefully we're all a little bit wiser!

It sounds a lot like we (the ODAC) get pushed around on the Offensive and Defensive lines due to a difference in size.   You were at the Stagg Bowl last year, jacketlawyer, as was I, and I also saw some marked differences in team speed and depth.     

As usual, I am probably way off base, but here goes in no particular order:
1. Could be that they have a larger base population of HS talent to draw from. Ohio is #7 in population, PA is #6, NY #3, TX is #2 border state IN is 14 with one state over IL at #6.
VA is 12 and WV 37.
However, presenting both sides of this theory DE is 45.
2. Bigger HS Football & Wrestling programs starting at Pop Warner levels and serious weight training programs.
3. Basketball is the sport that receives maybe better than 50% of the sports attention in VA.
4. Like allsky said - Lots of local DI schools in VA
5. You need more than 1-2 really talented players on both sides of the ball, you have to be deep, have a good kicking game and special team play.

I think #2 is important.  I know at least Texas and Ohio HS football is huge.  VA HS football is pretty big too though!  I'm from New England and up there HS FB is pretty mediocre and I think that shows to the college level as well.  The bigger and better the high school programs, the more quality recruits there are going to be to go around.

I don't know about #3 though?

[Llamaguy]

BH2H,

Another question. Is it still an OAC rule that coaches can't make site or home visits when recruiting? I remember a few years ago that phone calls and HS tape were about all the OAC schools had to use when recruiting. Quite an obstacle when recruiting against the higher divisions who usually stay all over kids with visits and invites to home games.

I know they have recruits on campus as while I tailgated in 2003 at the BC vs. MUC national semi, about 40 kids were escorted by our tailgate. It doesn't hurt to have kids visit, at home, in the playoffs every year. BTW, we yelled, "come to Bridgewater where you can win an ODAC championship, Nat'l Championships are overrated." To this day, not a single kid took us up on our offer! 

[ace]

OAC coaches are not allowed high school or home visits.

[hasanova]

"That's a pretty turse reply Pat."

Where's 'Nova, the spelling and grammar sage?
He must be out earning his wage.
It can't be the drink
They said with a wink
So it must be his advancing age.

Well, just because I didn't comment, doesn't mean I didn't see it.  lol  Yes, things are quite busy at work.  Are you referring to my advancing age or that of the spelling and punctuation impaired writer? 

I assume the writer meant to say "That's a pretty terse reply, Pat."

There once was a sage who's quite busy.
His job is so frantic, he's dizzy!
He reads what's been posted
And notes grammar toasted,
But no time for a red marker tizzy!

[Jacketlawyer]

Uh oh ... I'm starting to sound like Snakehandler.