FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[VAfootball96]

Can someone please explain to me why Hampden Sydney got a higher seed than W&L?  I didnt see the game but from what I have heard it was actually a 3 td game going into the final minute.  Still hoping for that rematch in 3 weeks between the ODAC schools

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[hasanova]

HASA
I guess if you get a few tools you can do great things. Just tells "Iron Mike" did not get the tools at GC-Q. I know he was hard headed as I remember trying to knock him out in 1976 or 77....

I saw a GCQ football alum (and former teammate of Coach Ketchum) at the CUA game and he said he saw Mike and hello while he was coaching the Defense for the WSSU Rams when they played the NCCU Eagles in Durham.

[hasanova]

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/football/releases/2010/Nov15.html

Guilford will not renew Head Coach Kevin Kiesel's contract for 2011, so a national search is underway for his replacement.  Good luck, Coach Kiesel, I wish the best for you and your family!

[abnrgr]

I guess Keisel did not get the tools either. That little comment about "on and off the field" sounded a little ominous.  He did string 2 winning seasons together which are not usually done there

The facilities are good. It must be how they recruit.

I am still a little "jaundiced" about 1999 when my son had to go to a academic board just to be accepted. I know a high schooll football player with a 3.25 GPA "needs" to be boarded right? I guess 3 time All ODAC, 2 time ALL South and 2 time pre season AA justified the board. I guess. LOL

It's all history and my son harbors no bad blood over it but it does remind me of how ate up with the dumb a&& admissions was and perhaps still is. I know some in admissions used to think they were a little Duke but...well they are not. I have no empirical data nor have I heard gossip but I will put money on it they are not signing what they consider marginal academic players.

Might as well drop football if you do not take the chance. Sad for the coach and team

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[quakes75]

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/football/releases/2010/Nov15.html

Guilford will not renew Head Coach Kevin Kiesel's contract for 2011, so a national search is underway for his replacement.  Good luck, Coach Kiesel, I wish the best for you and your family!

I was a senior when Kiesel was brought into Guilford. He was very "Bipolar" in the way that he would handle us. He would tell us and threaten us with doing something and then never do it. I can remember if Ketchum told you he was going to do something you better be ready because it is coming. That year we went like 0-4 in the first 4 games and like 5-1 in the remaining 6. The things that helped us that year were having great assistant coaches and bonding together as a team and refusing to listen to Kiesel and letting him get to us. Kiesel was allowed to get very good assistant coaches throughout his tenure where as Ketchum was not allowed, especially his last year where he was basically coaching every aspect of the team and that is no exaggeration of it either.  My point is that if Ketchum was given everything that Kiesel was allowed to have we would have been a very good team. We were still a good team but Ketchum had a lot better way of getting us to play. I hope that they don't mess up the coaching search again because from the looks of it now the program is in pretty bad shape but they have great facilities now. ABNRGR hope your son is doing well.

[hasanova]

Well, after the 5-5, 6-4 and 6-4 rise (plateau?) in the first three seasons, it's been back to the familiar 4-6, 3-7 and 0-10 decline.  The thing that always stood out to me was the heralded 50-60 freshmen recruits during the summer and then the sad reality of 5 to 7 fourth year players on Senior Day at the end of the season.  How do you lose 70-90% of your players during their four years of eligibility?  After 41 years of following Quaker football, I can count the positive seasons that really stood out on one hand and maybe another thumb.  You cannot win in the ODAC if you are constantly reloading with Freshmen and Sophomores year after year. 

I hope the college administrators make a good choice.

[hasanova]

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/football/releases/2010/Nov15.html

Guilford will not renew Head Coach Kevin Kiesel's contract for 2011, so a national search is underway for his replacement.  Good luck, Coach Kiesel, I wish the best for you and your family!

After reading today's (Nov. 16) report in the Greensboro News & Record, it seems things had deteriorated more than a little.  According to the paper, Senior Defensive Back Jordan Nelson told The Guilfordian (campus newspaper) that "underclassmen were skipping mandatory workouts."  And then, to add insult to injury, SID Dave Walters confirmed that an unidentified player had been dismissed from the team after he vandalized a locker room at Hampden-Sydney following the Quakers' Oct. 30 loss.  Walters added, "That's not what Guilford College is about."

No kidding!  As a Guilford graduate and former letterman, I am embarrassed for my alma mater, its alumni, students, fans, staff and the football team.  Sure, be greatly disappointed and vow to work harder if you lose, but never dishonor yourself and your school by vandalizing the locker room of your opponent!  Normally, I don't apologize for the actions of others, but I feel compelled to apologize to all those associated with Hampden-Sydney College and, certainly, its football team for this disgrace.  

Sure, players sometimes do stupid things, but ultimately the coaching staff is responsible for the actions and discipline of the players on and off the field.

Guilford says its stands for seven core values:  community, diversity, equality, excellence, integrity, justice and stewardship.  Hopefully, the future will see all seven again elevated to their rightful place at the corner of Friendly Avenue and New Garden Road.  I'd rather go 0-10 with honor than 10-0 without honor, but to fall to such an abyss in both areas is doubly painful.

[SaintsFAN]

Any Washington & Lee supporters on here???

Looks like two running teams will be going at it.  TMC does it from the spread, though.  Is W&L's attach more of the triple option or is it one of the spread hybrids? 

Looking forward to a great game and maybe talking some football with some of you in here..

[jknezek]

There are a few of us Generals fans around, although by and large you'd probably get a better response to lacrosse than football from the W&L crowd. Hopefully that will change with the better results we've been getting lately and hopefully with the better facilities on campus we'll keep getting better results. That being said, we still only have 7 seniors starting both sides of the ball, which is all too common for the W&L program.

You'll see a lot of triple option out of us. I only got to one game this year since I live down in Birmingham, but what I saw was consistent. It's also pretty consistent with what I have seen the last few years including our first DIII playoff appearance in '05. Sadly that did not end well. Hopefully your field will play a little better than the Wilkes mud pit did that year. Not really Wilkes fault since they got 12 inches of rain in 2 days before the game, but that field was very geared toward their big slow boys mashing up our small fast ones.

Here's hoping for a good game. It's been a real joy to follow the Generals this year as they worked through a slow start to what can only be described as a surprising season.

[quakes75]

Hasa,

It is quite embarrassing to hear that is what happened on the way down, but it comes as no surprise to me. When the Kiesel regime first came in there were several players that never should have been on the campus and they were brought in to help us win right away. They were there one semester and gone the next I cannot speak for the years after but I'm sure that is why the graduation rate is so terrible.

Again the reason they we were able to win was due to the assistant coaches. Not sure what happened to Hargis but he was the OC there for a couple of years and the WR coach when I was there. He had a lot to do with the success of throwing the ball and then all of a sudden he was gone I believe that has a lot to do with the downfall of the program was him leaving.

[quakerfan3]

Even when Guilford was winning football games with Kiesel the coaching was bad.  A few years ago when Guilford beat Greensboro the Quakers threw the ball 79 times in one ball game!  The coaches refused to run the ball and Greensboro almost came back to win.  Throwing the ball that many times in one game is ridiculous.  I guess they never heard of the concept of having a balanced offense.

[quakes75]

Even when Guilford was winning football games with Kiesel the coaching was bad.  A few years ago when Guilford beat Greensboro the Quakers threw the ball 79 times in one ball game!  The coaches refused to run the ball and Greensboro almost came back to win.  Throwing the ball that many times in one game is ridiculous.  I guess they never heard of the concept of having a balanced offense.

Yeah I agree with this. We would throw the crap out of the ball. It was fun to do but the defense was always on the field. When I was there we had to throw the ball most of the time though because the games would be so back and forth. Alot of the throws were just long hand offs.

Many people probably don't know this but Kiesel tried to run the ball when he first came in. We played Ferrum the first game of the year and probably ran speed option with Vogelbach 10 times. We didn't begin throwing the ball every play until Hampden-Sydney that year. From there on we would throw the ball on a average of above 70 times per game, but we were also winning then too.

[Pat Coleman]

Any Washington & Lee supporters on here???

Looks like two running teams will be going at it.  TMC does it from the spread, though.  Is W&L's attach more of the triple option or is it one of the spread hybrids? 

Looking forward to a great game and maybe talking some football with some of you in here..

SaintsFan: They are triple option:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2010/w-and-l-finds-success-in-youth

[hasanova]

Even when Guilford was winning football games with Kiesel the coaching was bad.  A few years ago when Guilford beat Greensboro the Quakers threw the ball 79 times in one ball game!  The coaches refused to run the ball and Greensboro almost came back to win.  Throwing the ball that many times in one game is ridiculous.  I guess they never heard of the concept of having a balanced offense.

Yeah I agree with this. We would throw the crap out of the ball. It was fun to do but the defense was always on the field. When I was there we had to throw the ball most of the time though because the games would be so back and forth. Alot of the throws were just long hand offs.

Many people probably don't know this but Kiesel tried to run the ball when he first came in. We played Ferrum the first game of the year and probably ran speed option with Vogelbach 10 times. We didn't begin throwing the ball every play until Hampden-Sydney that year. From there on we would throw the ball on a average of above 70 times per game, but we were also winning then too.

Yeah, the Quakers got spanked badly at Ferrum in Kiesel's first game.  I was at the HSC game (homecoming) when we really started throwing the ball and almost made a great comeback (I think GCQ lost 47-45).  In fact, I believe that game was the only one of Vogelbach's 40-game career that he didn't start - he came off the bench when we were down and led the comeback.  It was definitely not a balanced attack - I remember the HSC game in 2007 - we scored 49 by throwing the ball, but gave up 56!  Hopefully, we've bottomed out and there's nowhere to go but up.