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[wrighthall220]

"..RICCA DOESNT PLAY D OR SPECIAL TEAMS.."

Ricca punts.. so yes he does play special teams..


Comparing Jenkins, Wakefiled and Lewis to Ricca is a fair comparison because they are the QBs he "played against" and they were/are the QBs in the BC system.  You argued that Mike Clark of BC would want Ricca over any BC QB currently that is Jacob. However, having played within the BC system and against HSC I can honestly say there is no way they would take Ricca over any of the QB's we've had over the past 4 years.   I'm sorry, Ricca is a great player but his stats will never add up to quality wins, ODAC Championships or Playoff wins. He's a good QB but certainly not the best the ODAC has ever seen or WILL ever see.  He's not the end all. I'm not blaming him for losing to BC.. I never said he was at sole fault but he has been  the key factor in the losses to BC.   Ricca as a direct transplant into BC's system would not work, not to say he wouldn't be nice to have at times.

[franknizy]

he is not the punter, do some research.  as far as not fitting into the bc system what does that mean? he seems to be able to make all kinds of throws and has a good football mind.  maybe lewis is a better hander offer.haha

[TIGER27]

Frank,
A better question would be if Ricca would have been as proficient at BC with all of the weapons he would have had backing him up? I've been under the impression for years that Ricca's outstanding numbers come from the fact that he is THE team...he HAS to put up huge numbers passing for his team to get by.. they depend on him heavily.    But then again Ricca has never won one of the BIG games in his career, Jacob has, as of right now I'd take Jacob over Ricca.  (Or even Robbie Jenkins or Brandon Wakefield for that matter)   Ricca is a great player but I just don't see him fitting into BC's system at all.. Colbert would enjoy having him at times but BC is a more balanced team/system than HSC will ever be.

        Ummm...what do you mean by "he is THE team" and then immediately following it up with "he HAs to put up huge numbers"?  What's conflicting for me is that if he is THE team at H-SC then how can you not want him in an offense that has what you say more weapons?  If he has less weapons and gets better stats...then why the heck would he not do as good of a job?  I'm not trying to step on any toes.  I just don't understand your reasoning.
        If H-SC doesn't have anyone else, then why still do they score so many points?  I guess a core of great players around him (including Conrad Singh, CW Clemmons, a great offensive line) had nothing to do with his past success either?  What about the records that CW broke...I guess that had nothing to do with a balanced system.  He was a RB after all.  What about the great receivers he has to throw to now?  Or is it that the receivers talent isn't all that great, it's just JD is throwing to them and exploiting inferior defenses (are you trying to say 1 isn't a true all-american, JD just made him one?)...if that's the case, why then isn't JD your man?  I've got to believe that he would do better than anyone else the ODAC has ever seen then if you put him on a team that has some REAL weapons right?

[wrighthall220]

Frank,
Ricca is on special teams, he is used on some punting situations.. why don't you do some research?  I've seen him pooch punt several times, it's an effective play that HSC has in their rotation.

While Ricca may have a good football mind and makes throws he has yet to prove to me that he can amongst many things run the option and run on his own.  Granted Ricca is very athletic and talented but BC does rely on a QB that can pull the ball down and run.  Ricca failed miserably to do that against BC.  (which is the measuring stick in the ODAC at this point in time... at least in my mind)    Ricca also panics in big games, we all saw that last year when he had a little bit of pressure applied to him, BC QBs over the past few years have been fairly calm under pressure. (Wakefield had some issues at times)   My comments are based on your direct quote of "  picture lewis qbing at hsc and ricca at bridgewater....its a joke.  The spread would have been 35. "  now as of October 2005, I would much rather have Lewis as a QB within the BC system because he has ALL of the required skills of a BC QB.. I'm not saying Ricca isn't a good QB for HSC but for BC, this year which is what you're trying to compare he isn't a good fit.  BC is a more balanced team and I'm not sure how he would stack up against the other balanced QBs that BC already has in their system this year.   Ricca can throw his arm out but he's not a good fit for a BC team that requires more out of their QB.

[miz]

BY YOUR REASONING TRENT DILFER, JOEY HARRINGTON, & BRIAN GRIESE ARE SUPERIOR TO BRETT FAVRE.  RICCA DOESNT PLAY D OR SPECIAL TEAMS OR COACH FOR THAT MATTER.  STOP BLAMING THE QB FOR HSCS COACH NOT BEING ABLE TO WIN THE BIG ONE. WAKEFIELD & JENKINS ARE NOT IN THE SAME CLASS AS RICCA (INSERT NUMBERS HERE) HE WILL OWN EVERY STAT IN THE ODAC IN A LITTLE OVER 2 YRS OF PLAYING. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. GO CARDS

OK then, by your reasoning Carson Palmer, Trent Green, and Kerry Collins are all superior to Tom Brady because they pass for more yards. 

Ricca can have every stat.  Bridgewater will gladly take every ring.  The guy can't make plays when it counts in important games.  He's proven that three years in a row.  Jenkins, Wakefield, and now Lewis have all proven that they can do just that when needed.  And HSC has had a very good supporting cast the past three years to go with their quaterback so don't make that excuse for him.  Their coach is an idiot, but he doesn't throw the interceptions or fail to convert in game-deciding situations.  The players (i.e.: QB) do. 

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE (see I can do CAPS LOCK too).

[TIGER27]

Peyton Manning doesn't have a ring either...and he passes for more yards than Brady does....but, does that mean that Brady is a better QB?  I've never thought about this in particular until now.   I'm undecided...this is a tough one.

[Ron Boerger]

Peyton Manning doesn't have a ring either...and he passes for more yards than Brady does....but, does that mean that Brady is a better QB?  I've never thought about this in particular until now.   I'm undecided...this is a tough one.

Brady wins the big games, Manning chokes.  End of story. 

[Outsider14]

i think y'all are being too hard on ricca. just because the team he was QBing didn't beat bridgewater doesn't mean he's not a good QB (it still is 11 on 11). it means his team wasn't as good as bridgewater's that particular saturday the past 4 years. as for weapons, clemons and singh were legit players; they were pretty good. but bridgewater has had 2-4 of each on their past 5-6 teams. as for what the qbs would do in another system, who knows? i haven't seen lewis in a 50 passes a game system nor ricca in a power/option run first pass second system. so, how would lewis do at h-sc and ricca at bc? i think that's moot point. BUT, that's what you guys do, dissect and debate moot points 
go iggles

[miz]

Peyton Manning doesn't have a ring either...and he passes for more yards than Brady does....but, does that mean that Brady is a better QB? 

Yes.  Brady has never lost to Manning head-to-head (though the Pat's have more often than not been underdogs).   

Now granted, I'm a New Englander and a huge Pat's fan so I'm a little biased. 

I think the Manning vs. the Pats analogy is the best NFL to D-3 comparison when your talking about Ricca not being able to beat BC.  Very, very similar.

[DenbowsRoomie]

Seeing as how this QB discussion as turned into another HSC/BC debate (as usual), I submit that Greg Tweardy has certainly been the biggest surprise among ODAC signal-callers.  The numbers are what they are, but even more, Tweardy has shown remarkable ability to manage the offense and momentum & tempo for his team.  Ideal QB's are responsible for these things, and thus far Greg has succeeded above and beyond what most people probably expected from him.

Stats considered or not, J.D. Ricca is THE quarterback in the ODAC.  I would propose that Lewis is much more of a system QB who benefits from his team's remarkable offensive balance.  HSC opponents know that Ricca's the guy to beat, and he still puts up the results and the numbers.  That's saying something.

To say that BC (or any team) would not take a player of Ricca's talent seems questionable to me.  Seniority issues aside, isn't the whole point to have the best player at each position?  Just because BC QBs have performed admirably during the Eagles' multi-year run, would you seriously not even consider upgrading to a more talented player?  I suspect that this comment is more a result of BC's success than a believable statement meant to hold water.  It's easy to say things like that when you're on top!

Now that I've defended J.D. Ricca, here's hoping that Tweardy and the Generals beat the tar out of HSC on Saturday.

[Old Coach]

"..RICCA DOESNT PLAY D OR SPECIAL TEAMS.."

Ricca punts.. so yes he does play special teams..


Comparing Jenkins, Wakefiled and Lewis to Ricca is a fair comparison because they are the QBs he "played against" and they were/are the QBs in the BC system.  You argued that Mike Clark of BC would want Ricca over any BC QB currently that is Jacob. However, having played within the BC system and against HSC I can honestly say there is no way they would take Ricca over any of the QB's we've had over the past 4 years.   I'm sorry, Ricca is a great player but his stats will never add up to quality wins, ODAC Championships or Playoff wins. He's a good QB but certainly not the best the ODAC has ever seen or WILL ever see.  He's not the end all. I'm not blaming him for losing to BC.. I never said he was at sole fault but he has been  the key factor in the losses to BC.   Ricca as a direct transplant into BC's system would not work, not to say he wouldn't be nice to have at times.

Folks,

Under a different system, BC's for instance, Ricca may have blossomed into a more complete and integral cog in the machine.  The young man has talent and with different tutelage he may have surprised a lot of people by adapting to a more balanced attack.  Less pressure on him to primarily carry the load may have yielded a different result.  There is nothing wrong with objective analysis of any player, but a variables have to be taken into consideration.

[Hug]

Hey can the next poll be who is the biggest asswhole on post patterns or even on the ODAC board. And whoever creates the poll, please put me on it.  8)

[HeardEnough]

Their coach is an idiot, but he doesn't throw the interceptions or fail to convert in game-deciding situations.  The players (i.e.: QB) do.  

Miz,

You are by far the biggest idiot on this board!! Congratulations!

[HeardEnough]

Assuming the ODAC head football coaches are more knowledgeable than the BC groupies, the fact that they selected Ricca first team all-league over the BC QB in 2003, second team along with the BC QB in 2004 (despite missing 4 games) and will obviously select him All ODAC this year, should end this discussion.

As Generally Tim stated, Ricca is in a class of his own as far as QBs in the ODAC go, and would be a vast improvement for every team in the ODAC at the QB position.  No other QB in the league has been compared to Dan Marino or Peyton Manning (a hall of famer and a future hall of famer)

[Llamaguy]

Their coach is an idiot, but he doesn't throw the interceptions or fail to convert in game-deciding situations.  The players (i.e.: QB) do.  

Miz,

You are by far the biggest idiot on this board!! Congratulations!

Does that mean we still can't conduct the poll