FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Outsider14]

Assuming the ODAC head football coaches are more knowledgeable than the BC groupies, the fact that they selected Ricca first team all-league over the BC QB in 2003,

wakefield was more dangerous than ricca that year. ricca threw screens to singh and let him do his work (yes i know he did more, but that's what i saw most of). wakefield did a great job of getting the ball to his open athletes, as well as the fact that he could tuck the ball and take it 60+ yards a la vs. e&h.
i know that's water under the bridge (couldn't think of a different cliche to put in there), but i gotta back my guys, especially when i feel strongly that they got jobbed

[cnusfinest54]

Nothings really doing on the USA south board so I will bother you ODAC boys with my opinion. First of all I have played against HSC and that screen you to death, trick play here and there offense. As far as Ricca being the best QB in the conference, it would be very hard to say. Just looking at what type of offense BC runs and what type of offense HSC runs itsreally different. Thats like asking Peyton Manning to run option from time to time when  everyone knows he is a pocket passer.  So as a player I don't think that Ricca would automatically start at BC if he was on coach Clark team. What some people are forgetting is different coaches choose different players who fit their system and obviously all the BC qbs who won fit theirs and Ricca fits his.

In another sense all of you Ricca supporters also have to evaluate one major factor. I agree with an earlier post someone made. I think everyone has to really look at the competition Ricca has played week in and week out and the competition the other BC qbs faced in their playing days. Its not hard putting up numbers against scrubs.  Bottom line is he is not going to pass for 4 and 500 plus week in and week out against top caliber teams. Like someone said earlier numbers are good but I would rather see wins. And yeah, maybe all of BC's teams were just better  in the past. So Ricca could fall into the category of a Peyton Manning or a Dan Marino, but I will say that in their defense,  they still put up amazing numbers against good teams as well they didn't just shine on the bad teams. At the end of the day Ricca has 0 wins against good BC teams and even lost to a good defensive minded John Hopkins team last year and a lot of wins against cupcake teams. So until he can at least put up some amazing stats and beat some other quality teams (because BC obviously has HSC # right now) I don't think anyone can just automatically say he is one of the best to ever play in the odac.

If the Pats had Manning and the Colts had Brady I still think the Pats would have 3 Super Bowls because they have similar styles.

[HeardEnough]

At the end of the day Ricca has 0 wins against good BC teams and even lost to a good defensive minded John Hopkins team last year and a lot of wins against cupcake teams.


Ricca didn't play against Johns Hopkins last year.

[cnusfinest54]

Your right sorry about that. But still he has never beaten a quality opponent in his career and most of his stats have come against very weak opponents.  And I feel the same way Outsider 14 does. Those 3 yard screen dump passes that eventually went for 50-60 yard TD passes could have been thrown by the average offensive linemen.

[skoaltrain]

SkoalTrain coming out the woodwork to give his one cent.  Yes, one cent since I can't afford two. 

I mis-read that poll.  I thought it was for the best QB in the ODAC and not for the 2nd best QB.  I need to retract my vote.  I wouldn't have voted for Lewis if I would have read the poll correctly.  Drop a poll for the #1 QB in the ODAC and I'll vote Lewis.  Why?  Wins! Look at the records!  It's all about the wins....and I'm sure this will hold true come each and every week until the end of the season.  Let's just stop the chatter and run that poll at the end of the regular season.  Too early to tell. Again, my one cent! 

BC by 35 this coming weekend against Guilford.  Might be a bit different if played at Guilford but they still lose. 

The game that I'm looking forward to it W&L in Lexington on Oct. 29th. SkoalTrain and Stone Station startin' early Friday!  BBQ by the "Senior SkoalTrain."  I'm calling W&L this weekend against HSC which means the game in Lexington will be quite important.

Peace!  I am the SkoalTrain...a.k.a. EHDad's bastage son....I still love ya Dad!!!

[abnrgr]

Skoal. BC +52. You'se guys will score that but if GC's Vogelbach does not get his head knocked off early Vogelbach may throw 4 TDs'. You let them hand around too long and let him convert 4 two pointers well....In my heart its +52. now throw down some green. 

[skoaltrain]

Skoal. BC +52. You'se guys will score that but if GC's Vogelbach does not get his head knocked off early Vogelbach may throw 4 TDs'. You let them hand around too long and let him convert 4 two pointers well....In my heart its +52. now throw down some green. 

Name the price abnrgr.  I'm down!

[miz]

Their coach is an idiot, but he doesn't throw the interceptions or fail to convert in game-deciding situations.  The players (i.e.: QB) do.  

Miz,

You are by far the biggest idiot on this board!! Congratulations!

You may not like it, but my statement about Ricca failing to come through against BC is a fact.  Look it up. 

Maybe idiot was too strong a descriptor for Favret.  How about "egotistical moron"?  Is that better?

[TIGER27]

I think JD has more than proven that he can do more than throw a three yard screen pass and let his receivers do the work (were you guys serious?).  He has more touch down field than any QB I've seen H-SC play against. 
The only real way to handle this one is the ole' QB Challenge!  If someone wants to organize it, I've got five bucks on Ricca and to hedge my bet I'll put two bucks on Tiger1 (Have you guys seen his QB rating from '03?)

[miz]

I think JD has more than proven that he can do more than throw a three yard screen pass and let his receivers do the work (were you guys serious?).  He has more touch down field than any QB I've seen H-SC play against. 
The only real way to handle this one is the ole' QB Challenge!  If someone wants to organize it, I've got five bucks on Ricca and to hedge my bet I'll put two bucks on Tiger1 (Have you guys seen his QB rating from '03?)

Yeah, I think Marcus Washington has a pretty high rating this year also

I will say this since I've been so vocal about the subject:  Ricca is a very good quaterback.  He runs the offense he has to run very efficiently.  Obviously, he has put up some impressive numbers over his career.  In fact, I think my comparing him to Peyton Manning (which I've also did back in the pre-season) should have been quite a compliment.  Alas, like Manning the guy still has not won "the big game".  Will he get another chance?  Guess will have to wait 'till Novemeber to find out...........

[Llamaguy]

You bring the QB efficiency equation into play & this is just plain funny:

          QB RATINGS             Efficiency           Completion/int     TDs

• Jacob Lewis                  145.24             102-66-5             7
• Jeff Highfill                    241.50                4-3-0               1
• Marcus Washington        488.80                 2-2-0              2
• Winston Young              175.60                 1-1-0              0
• Brian Awkard                 520.00                 1-1-0              0


• JD Ricca                       168.30             216-143-9          20
• Brett Delk                     259.60                 2-2-0              0
• Ben Dull                        774.40                 1-1-0              1

Between BC & HSC's back-up QB and other position players there has been only 1 incompletion and 4 TDs thrown. Now talk about trick plays and their ability to execute them! Maybe Jacob & JD need more trick plays called for them to pump-up that passer rating?

[TIGER27]

llama,
haha...funny thing is, I almost filled in Ben Dull instead of the former all-american.  I've watched this guy throw the ball 70-75 yards in the air...no BS.

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[pakownr97]

Generally Tim,

Your last post is probably the best one on this thread. 

Some of my fellow BCers have underrated JD Ricca because we have beaten his team each time.  But I think he is still far and away the best QB in our league.

Although I am sure Coach Clark would not answer this question, I am also sure that he would have loved to have a QB of Ricca's talents at BC.  Being the magnificent coach that he is, he would have developed the BC offense around JD's skills and BC would have been even better.  I think the only person who may have been unhappy with the situation is Marcus Washington, and as long as BC was winning, I think Marcus would be happy, too.

GO BC!!!

[Outsider14]

from the richmond times-dispatch today: "CALLING IT A CAREER: Johnny Junes' career at Hampden-Sydney officially is over. The former Mills Godwin standout running back was expected to take over for C.W. Clemmons as the featured back at H-SC this season. But the lingering effects of two preseason concussions short-circuited his senior season before it gained much steam.

According to Tigers coach Marty Favret, Junes had had no recurrences of concussion symptoms for 28 days leading up to the Bridgewater game. The team even ordered a special helmet for the running back. But after three carries for 5 yards, Junes developed a headache and removed himself from the game.

"He had a great career," Favret said. "There's no sense jeopardizing his future."

In 2004, used primarily as a short-yardage back, Junes carried 96 times for 434 yards and a team-high 14 touchdowns. The three carries against the Eagles were Junes' only action of 2005."

sorry to hear about that. That's always rough news. Best of luck to Junes...

now:

I think JD has more than proven that he can do more than throw a three yard screen pass and let his receivers do the work (were you guys serious?). He has more touch down field than any QB I've seen H-SC play against.
The only real way to handle this one is the ole' QB Challenge! If someone wants to organize it, I've got five bucks on Ricca and to hedge my bet I'll put two bucks on Tiger1 (Have you guys seen his QB rating from '03?)

this ain't 2003. and you can go ahead and credit singh for 50% of his qb rating from that year for taking the short dump passes and making things happen. to ricca's credit, i watched him in the 2004 bc game and he proved that he can throw a real nice deep ball. also to his credit, his numbers may be a product of the system he's in, but he does do a hell of a job in that system. i don't like the system, because obviously it doesn't win championships, but it has made a good QB w/ video game numbers. only huge knock on ricca that you can possibly place solely on him is redzone INTs, which are huge in respect to winning and losing. and like i said earlier, sure ricca has 0 wins against "quality" teams, but so does his senior offensive linemen, his senior DBs, his senior RBs...etc and his coach. this whole "ricca can't win the big game" is blown out of proportion. h-sc hasn't won the big game. and honestly, i'd like to see them sneak into the playoffs this year. i want to see how they'd perform against another nationally ranked team w/o the proverbial monkey on their back. i almost feel bad for our rivals; i know how bad they wanted that game and how much they thought this was their year. you can almost compare bridgewater/h-sc to mount union/bridgewater; they just had better players. i know they've been our monkey twice...

[muchacho]

Look at what C.W. Clemmons did, and then tell me that Marcus Washington would have been unhappy. Washington would have been getting the ball all the time in the HSC offense, and would be just as effective there as he is at BC.
Pakownr was correct in his statement that coaches adapt their schemes according to the players they have around them. Maybe Ricca might not have run the ball as much as other BC QB's, but he definitely would have been successful in the BC offense.