FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[franknizy]

this board is new to me and i respect the different opinions of the different fans & schools.  There seem to be some passionate and intelligent d3 football fans out there. bmorebc, it is a shame you are not one of them.  your extreme bias will not allow me to converse with u anymore, but thanks for the pop warner definition of individualism in regards to football

[Rugby Guy]

Skoal,

Rugby will not be attending the festivities this weekend (third person...like a true athlete). Tomorrow is my best friend's birthday and that bash is expected to carry over into the wee hours of Saturday.  On Saturday, I'm ashamed to admit - and I beg the forgiveness of all fans of the purest form of sport (that being DIII football) - I have sold out and will be attending the UVA/Florida State game in Charlottesville. 

[cuaplayer]

franknizzy,
add awkward and bublavi to the hold your breath list...didnt get the chance to see any W and L receivers so I can't say much about them besides the stats...I also hold my breath whenever cua has a lead with less than 10 seconds left

as for the qb argument,
BC posters really can be ridiculous sometimes. What do conference championships have to do with who the best qb is. We know that BC wins the ODAC every year, it doesn't mean the qb is the best. My answer is that you can't compare. BC is a loaded team where the qb only has to not lose. HSC is a pretty good team but needs JD to win it for them in any big game. Could BC still win the conference with a limited quarterback? Probably. Could HSC come close to beating Bridgewater with any other qb but Ricca? Probably not.

If you had to start a team right now who would you take as a qb? I suspect anyone who says anything other than Ricca is just a little biased.

Everyone talks about the system that HSC runs as if its simple. The screen is one aspect. It looks so easy usually because of how dangerous the qb is with his downfield talents.

I played in it for about 3 days and my head hurts just thinking about everything I had to remember and that was a wideout with only 5% of the offense installed.

It's great that BC has as much pride in what they have accomplished as they do. However, it won't take away from that if you acknowledge another player on another team who is obviously tops in the league at his position. In fact, by acknowledging Ricca's talents you would be inherently pointing out how talented the BC team is because he has never beat you. Has he even played another top notch program other than BC?

Its also pretty ridiculous to bash any kids(how old is the average poster..late 20s?) on here especially when alot of BC posters played during the 0-10 years. You know exactly how much dedication it takes to play d3 and I doubt you would have taken these comments if made about you lightly. To bash a 21-22 year old kid on a message board not only shows a lack of class, it's a little cowardly.

Wanna discuss football? fine.... but to basically start calling kids "losers" is crossing the line.

[wrighthall220]

"ricca must be good enough for some of you guys to hate his game as much as you do.  lewis threw a great pass to awkard on that play.  ricca lost the game, but choke? how? "

franknizy,
First of all I don't hate Riccas game, he's a good player, just not the best in my opinion, which is mine sooooo it shouldn't be considered hate or disrespect, I just don't think he's the end all  when it comes to ODAC QB history.   Your right, Lewis threw a short pass, Awkard made a play, which is exactly how Riccas numbers have added up over the past few years.... Ricca lost the game this year by failing to win the game, last year he folded under the pressure of the BC Defense, he ran scared for more than half of that game.. need anymore examples?  He has yet to win a big game and will more than likely end his career without one of those big game wins.  Again it's my opinion he's not the all time best QB in ODAC history, his numbers a outstanding but he's not the greatest QB to play in the ODAC.  Again that's my opinion, I've seen many ODAC QBs and I just happen to think there's more to a QB than how many passing yards he can rack up.  

[wrighthall220]

cuaplayer,
Some of us played against Ricca and have respect for him, however, we have a right to our opinion.  As a Standout player that has his name splashed all over the local VA media as well as here at D3 he should be considered a public figure.  Nobody has a problem with the praise we throw our favorite players on this site so to talk about a certain players lack of success should be no different, afterall, we're only stating the facts, no one here has said anything mean or unfair about JD Ricca.  The facts are he hasn't beaten BC in his career, he hasn't won a big game yet, he folds under pressure aka chokes.. where is anyone being mean or tearing down the "kid"? (I'd argue he's an adult)   This has been a very clean debate, which has been fairly argued on both sides.   One of the Pat's would have come in and stopped the debate if it had gotten out of hand, we don't need you to moderate this discussion. 

[cuaplayer]

Wright Hall,
Not trying to moderate the "BC" board. IMO, he's a kid(i.e-too young for non-kids to in effect call a "loser").

Noone said that you were not entitled to your opinion. If B.C is really as great as most on here say they are, then not able to beat BC is a compliment.

Seems to me that BC posters are not really willing to admit that some guys on other teams are better than their guys. To me thats retarded. Nothing wrong with saying, yeah JD is better than Lewis, and we still get the job done every game. We play better as a team, they can have their individual compliments.

Give some other guys some credit some times. You don't have to go to BC to be the best.

[Hug]

Hey kid' can we have a half by half break down of QB play in the HSC-BC game. 

[Outsider14]

i've grown tired of this debate. it's going nowhere but down. my last words in it are this: ricca did not lose the game. ricca did not choke. choking is missing a layup w/ the game on the line. bridgewater is no layup. the game was, is and always will be 11 on 11. bridgewater was the better team all around that day...

[skoaltrain]

Skoal,

Rugby will not be attending the festivities this weekend (third person...like a true athlete). Tomorrow is my best friend's birthday and that bash is expected to carry over into the wee hours of Saturday.  On Saturday, I'm ashamed to admit - and I beg the forgiveness of all fans of the purest form of sport (that being DIII football) - I have sold out and will be attending the UVA/Florida State game in Charlottesville. 

That game will be a bigger blow-out than the BC/Guilford game.  What are you gonna do with your dog and peanut butter?  Leave them at home?

Just kidding!

[wrighthall220]

I've said all along that JD is a good player, just not the best, this discussion started out with a comment about JD being a good fit in the BC system as a direct transplant.  ie Taking Lewis from this year and replacing him with Ricca... then it shifted to JD being the ODAC's all time best QB.. which I don't agree with.. there were plenty of BC, CUA and E&H QBs that were just as good in my opinion... they just didn't have crazy numbers.   Trust me every year we played a Ricca led HSC he was the only player that scared me from a talent aspect he's just a) not a good fit in the BC system as the player he is today. (from the original arguement)  b) not the best QB in ODAC history.  Ricca is a good player but certainly not the best.   Record wise sure Ricca is it, but nobody knows alot about records until they're either close to being broken or broken.  

As far as this being a BC only board, I'd disagree.. my opinions on Ricca are based on his performance over the past few years, not just against BC, I use BC refs. because they are the most familiar with me.   

Outsider is right though, my opinions are what they are, no debating over this topic is going to change my mind.. I'm moving on! 

[cuaplayer]

wrighthall,
point taken

[Old Coach]

franknizzy,
add awkward and bublavi to the hold your breath list...didnt get the chance to see any W and L receivers so I can't say much about them besides the stats...I also hold my breath whenever cua has a lead with less than 10 seconds left

as for the qb argument,
BC posters really can be ridiculous sometimes. What do conference championships have to do with who the best qb is. We know that BC wins the ODAC every year, it doesn't mean the qb is the best. My answer is that you can't compare. BC is a loaded team where the qb only has to not lose. HSC is a pretty good team but needs JD to win it for them in any big game. Could BC still win the conference with a limited quarterback? Probably. Could HSC come close to beating Bridgewater with any other qb but Ricca? Probably not.

If you had to start a team right now who would you take as a qb? I suspect anyone who says anything other than Ricca is just a little biased.

Everyone talks about the system that HSC runs as if its simple. The screen is one aspect. It looks so easy usually because of how dangerous the qb is with his downfield talents.

I played in it for about 3 days and my head hurts just thinking about everything I had to remember and that was a wideout with only 5% of the offense installed.

It's great that BC has as much pride in what they have accomplished as they do. However, it won't take away from that if you acknowledge another player on another team who is obviously tops in the league at his position. In fact, by acknowledging Ricca's talents you would be inherently pointing out how talented the BC team is because he has never beat you. Has he even played another top notch program other than BC?

Its also pretty ridiculous to bash any kids(how old is the average poster..late 20s?) on here especially when alot of BC posters played during the 0-10 years. You know exactly how much dedication it takes to play d3 and I doubt you would have taken these comments if made about you lightly. To bash a 21-22 year old kid on a message board not only shows a lack of class, it's a little cowardly.

Wanna discuss football? fine.... but to basically start calling kids "losers" is crossing the line.

Well said cuaplayer!  A lot of fine players have been surrounded by poor teams or programs.  Their talents were noticed but the "loser" tag was pinned on them and that overshadowed all else.  It is so easy to criticize, but these are young men not professionals.

[DenbowsRoomie]

CUAPlayer -- I share your frustrations.

Until about a year ago, the ODAC Hoops post-board was little more than a RMC vs. HSC sparring ground, with a splattering of supporters from other schools.  The increased team parity in ODAC men's basketball has reflected a "parity" of sorts on the post-board.

It's no secret that this postboard is BC-heavy.  I completely support that and admire the posters' collective pride and effort in supporting their team/school.  However, I occasionally get a sense while checking this board that BC's invulnerability on the football field translates to the seeming infallibility of BC-posters.  The reality is, just because the Eagles are top-dogs in the ODAC doesn't make BC posters' opinions right or perfect all of the time.

That being said, nearly every poster on here contributes valuable points to the discussion.  There's just the occasional thread that makes me scratch my head.

The trend of posting up certainly corresponds with winning.  If HSC or another team were to suddenly find themselves #1 in ODAC, there's no question a new batch of HSC posters would outnumber any other ODAC supporters.  Even I fell victim to it last year, to an extent...when W&L had a 2-win basketball season, it was difficult to continually inspire myself to post.  The real challenge is to be as consistently and strident a supporter when your team is in the dumps.  Any Redskins fan knows what I'm talking about...

[Hug]

nearly every poster on here contributes valuable points to the discussion.

And then there's me!  8)

[patcummings]

I just like watching you guys tire yourselves out on these topics...