FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[HSCTiger fan]

The funny thing? The best team in the conference, right now, is Guilford in my opinion... They have those two games at year end to see what they are made of. I know the game this weekend was 23-20, but the Quakers never trailed and it was a two score game with a few minutes to go. So Bridgewater getting one of them back just let Guilford run out the clock. The game looks closer than it was. And we all know what playing at Bridgewater is like. Bridgewater and E&H are the toughest places to play in my opinion. Yes, H-SC is usually better, but if you go to Jopson or Selfie, an upset is always on the table.

I don't envy H-SC and E&H with Guilford still looming.

I respect your opinion.  I will remind you that GC gave up over 600 yards to SU and respectfully the game against BC was a lot closer than you make it sound. I don't agree with regaleagle that BC won everywhere but the scoreboard. GC played better on special teams and had fewer turnovers. But it was like he said a very close game right until the end.

HSC has beaten GC every game this century. I'm sure this GC team is desperate and determined to break that streak. But RMC has lost 4 years running to GC and I'm sure Pedro will be reminding his team of that this week.

WL is the only team that controls its destiny. Every other team needs help. With 4 games to play its WL's title to lose. But the ODAC is the ODAC  There have been a total of 12 ODAC games. 1 settle by 10 points, 3 by 8 to 4 points and 3 by 3 points. In fact, first place WL (3-0) has won three games by a TD or less while last place RMC (0-3) has lost 2 by a TD or less and 1 by just 10. No one is safe.

[jknezek]

There have been a total of 12 ODAC games. 1 settle by 10 points, 3 by 8 to 4 points and 3 by 3 points. In fact, first place WL (3-0) has won three games by a TD or less while last place RMC (0-3) has lost 2 by a TD or less and 1 by just 10. No one is safe.

This is my favorite part of this whole conversation. The ODAC is a great league to follow after the OOC games end, which are usually a joke, and before the playoffs start!

+K

[Pat Coleman]

There have been a total of 12 ODAC games. 1 settle by 10 points, 3 by 8 to 4 points and 3 by 3 points. In fact, first place WL (3-0) has won three games by a TD or less while last place RMC (0-3) has lost 2 by a TD or less and 1 by just 10. No one is safe.

This is my favorite part of this whole conversation. The ODAC is a great league to follow after the OOC games end, which are usually a joke, and before the playoffs start!

+K

The ODAC: Seven weeks of awesome!

[tigerFanAlso2]

TigerFan

I thought E&H controls its own destiny. Win out and they are the champs, right ?

[jknezek]

The ODAC: Seven weeks of awesome!

I don't think that's exactly the slogan they want to use, but it's pretty accurate.

[jknezek]

TigerFan

I thought E&H controls its own destiny. Win out and they are the champs, right ?

No. H-SC owns that tie breaker. If E&H wins out you have a mess depending on what else happens. For example H-SC and E&H winning out would make for a 3 way tie if W&L wins all but E&H. Lots of scenarios if W&L does not win out.

[hasanova]

The funny thing? The best team in the conference, right now, is Guilford in my opinion... They have those two games at year end to see what they are made of. I know the game this weekend was 23-20, but the Quakers never trailed and it was a two score game with a few minutes to go. So Bridgewater getting one of them back just let Guilford run out the clock. The game looks closer than it was. And we all know what playing at Bridgewater is like. Bridgewater and E&H are the toughest places to play in my opinion. Yes, H-SC is usually better, but if you go to Jopson or Selfie, an upset is always on the table.

I don't envy H-SC and E&H with Guilford still looming.

I agree, I think the GC at BC game was not as close as the final score might make it seem, but BC moved the ball well at times.  Guilford RB De'Eric Bell was a beast on a day QB Pawlowski may have been letting the strong winds get in his head regarding the normally prolific Quaker passing game.  To his credit, however, Pawlowski has yet to throw a pick through six games and finished with a 19-yard TD.

[hasanova]

I'm not sure the point Hasa was making is sympathy. I think the point he's making is that Guilford now is not the Guilford that lost narrowly to W&L. Who knows how that game goes if Pawlowski stays in, but the point is E&H and H-SC are probably going to face a Guilford team with Pawlowski.

If that is a different kettle of fish, and I think it probably is, then Guilford is going to be a tough out for the Tigers and Wasps to end the season. All that being said, empirically Ferrick against W&L did do worse against W&L than Pawlowski has averaged for the season. His completion percentage of 54% against W&L is below Pawlowski's 63% for the season. Ferrick's Y/A were only 6.2 in Lexington versus Pawlowski's 9.5 for the season. Neither has thrown a pick. So it's possible that, despite the tie score when Pawlowski went out, the Quakers would have gotten more completions for longer yards and won the game.

Like I said before. I don't envy the Tigers and Wasps still staring down Guilford on the schedule.

Yeah, not sympathy ... injuries are a part of the game.  It's hard to not argue, however, that GCQ is a fundamentally different team when Pawlowski isn't on the field.  Speaking of injuries, GC also lost RB Josh Schow for the season in the Averett game ... he was stellar last year and until his injury this year. 

[hasanova]

The funny thing? The best team in the conference, right now, is Guilford in my opinion... They have those two games at year end to see what they are made of. I know the game this weekend was 23-20, but the Quakers never trailed and it was a two score game with a few minutes to go. So Bridgewater getting one of them back just let Guilford run out the clock. The game looks closer than it was. And we all know what playing at Bridgewater is like. Bridgewater and E&H are the toughest places to play in my opinion. Yes, H-SC is usually better, but if you go to Jopson or Selfie, an upset is always on the table.

I don't envy H-SC and E&H with Guilford still looming.

nope can't let that go. BC won that ballgame everywhere except on the scoreboard. Yes I'm aware that's all that really counts in the end. It was a 3 point game with 3:00 left when an awful penalty was called on 4th down that gave GC life. Saw it live seen it on film. Player jumping up and down convinced a ref 30 yards away when the one guy on top of the play said incomplete.
We shot ourselves in the foot too many times but moved the ball up and down the field and actually threw it down the field instead of sideways, but hey I would too if my WRs blocked like that.GC won the game but it was no cakewalk and they were fighting hard to not let that last score in. I'll see how good WL is in person this Sat. I watched earlier game when they beat GC and they had a good handle on things when your QB got knocked out.

I disagree with your statement that "BC won that ballgame everywhere except on the scoreboard."  The Eagles had three turnovers and GC one.  GC won the punting game and special teams. BC had 221 yard passing and Guilford 220.  GC had I'm sure a lot more yards rushing (actually, BC by about 50 yards).  I remember some calls that could have gone both ways ... the one you cite is so unremarkable I don't even remember it.

[tigerFanAlso2]

Jk

I understand GC is good but I'll consider HSC to be the favorite in that game simply because HSC has won 15 straight years vs. the Quakers. I understand that streak will end one day but until it does I'll have to consider HSC the favorite.
Quakers were dominating OOC schedule, however, not so much in the odac, L to W&L, defense gives up over 500 yards to SU, and beat BC in a close one. Not exactly dominating.

[HSCTiger fan]

TigerFan

I thought E&H controls its own destiny. Win out and they are the champs, right ?

If EH wins out they still need help to win the ODAC an additional WL loss and another loss by HSC. Or if HSC and EH win out and there's a 3 way tie as I understand the tiebreaker would be point differential. If point differential is the tiebreaker and I'm not 100%, the champion would be determined by the final score of the EH/WL game.

HSC needs 2 loses by WL if point differential is the tiebreaker. If point differential is the tiebreaker for a 3 way tie and if HSC, WL, and EH are tied HSC cannot win that tiebreak. HSC is at plus 3 for EH and minus 7 for WL for a total of -4. WL can finish worse than -4 or EH can finish worse than -4. But both cannot.

GC needs either 2 losses by WL or win a tiebreaker with WL and EH. Since WL has not played EH and GC has not played EH no team's point total can be determined.

I count six "ifs" in the aboved scenarios. Best we wait a few weeks to let things settle out.

JK I seem to recall the tiebreaker info from something you have posted. I know the ODAC uses a 5 point system. But in a 3 way tie does the 5 point system even come into play?

[jknezek]

JK I seem to recall the tiebreaker info from something you have posted. I know the ODAC uses a 5 point system. But in a 3 way tie does the 5 point system even come into play?

Can't remember and won't even bother to look with less than 1/2 the conference games played. Ask me again if it's relevant a before the last week of the season. 

[HSCTiger fan]

That's a good answer. +k

[HSCTiger fan]

I'm not sure the point Hasa was making is sympathy. I think the point he's making is that Guilford now is not the Guilford that lost narrowly to W&L. Who knows how that game goes if Pawlowski stays in, but the point is E&H and H-SC are probably going to face a Guilford team with Pawlowski.

If that is a different kettle of fish, and I think it probably is, then Guilford is going to be a tough out for the Tigers and Wasps to end the season. All that being said, empirically Ferrick against W&L did do worse against W&L than Pawlowski has averaged for the season. His completion percentage of 54% against W&L is below Pawlowski's 63% for the season. Ferrick's Y/A were only 6.2 in Lexington versus Pawlowski's 9.5 for the season. Neither has thrown a pick. So it's possible that, despite the tie score when Pawlowski went out, the Quakers would have gotten more completions for longer yards and won the game.

Like I said before. I don't envy the Tigers and Wasps still staring down Guilford on the schedule.

Yeah, not sympathy ... injuries are a part of the game.  It's hard to not argue, however, that GCQ is a fundamentally different team when Pawlowski isn't on the field.  Speaking of Injuries, GC also lost RB Josh Schow for the season in the Averett game ... he was stellar last year and until his injury this year.

I deffinately agree and think I misinterperted your first post on the subject.

[hscathletics]

Tiebreaking policy is
1) Head to head
2) Five-point system
3) Top-down comparison
4) Point differential between tied teams with no cap
5) "Rose Bowl Rule" - which calls for the team that has not been to NCAA post season most recently to advance to NCAA play that year. Guilford none (since they still have a legitimate shot with only one loss), E&H 2000, W&L 2012, HSC 2014

Of course, if there is a three-way tie with the only losses each team has is to a team they are tied with, the first three won't break the tiebreaker.