FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[CMR]

W&L's defense is good enough to stop an awful RMC offense.

I don't think RMC defense will stop W&L; but they will slow u down. This could be a 21 to 10 W&L victory

Certainly wouldn't characterize the RMC offense as awful.  They're fourth in the ODAC for yards per game, 2nd in rushing offense, top running back, scoring at least 21 points in every game, etc.  Won't find RMC offense in the bottom two or three teams on most offensive categories.  Not stellar, but not awful.  Here's hoping that RMC offense ends the season with a 50 point game like they started the season.

[jknezek]

W&L's defense is good enough to stop an awful RMC offense.

I don't think RMC defense will stop W&L; but they will slow u down. This could be a 21 to 10 W&L victory

Certainly wouldn't characterize the RMC offense as awful.  They're fourth in the ODAC for yards per game, 2nd in rushing offense, top running back, scoring at least 21 points in every game, etc.  Won't find RMC offense in the bottom two or three teams on most offensive categories.  Not stellar, but not awful.  Here's hoping that RMC offense ends the season with a 50 point game like they started the season.

Sort of true but really padded by the OOC schedule. For example, in conference play RMC is 6th in ypg and 7th in total points, so they have to be 7th in ppg as well. They are actually 6th in average yards per carry, so while they are second in rushing yards total, that's volume not effectiveness. An area where, admittedly, W&L exists as well, though W&L is first in both total yards and average yards per attempt, so volume and effectiveness. They are 6th in ypg passing, yards per attempt, and yards per completion. They are 6th in first downs per game, and 6th in 3rd downs made.

Pretty much they are the 6th best offense in the ODAC so far this season. Bridgewater and Catholic are worse in most categories. Take away the truly poor OOC schedule, and RMC's offense is below average for the ODAC.

[HSCTiger fan]

If you don't control the line of scrimmage you don't win; HSC 47 rushing yds. vs. W&L 566. Nothing else matters.
Those numbers make no sense at all. How in the he** is it possible to be totally dominated ? I expected W&L to win and I thought a good result for HSC would be 42 to 21, never expected what I saw in Sunday's paper.

Congrats to W&L. Time for HSC to rethink a lot of stuff and to regroup.

I was shocked TFA2. I haven't seen an H-SC team that helpless since I was in college in the 90s. Nothing worked for H-SC except kick coverage. Six turnovers doesn't help either, though W&L tried to help by giving three back. 

I'm going to chalk this one up to a rebuilding year for H-SC. Lot of underclassmen playing, so that should bode well for next year and beyond. Though the QB situation looked a bit grim. I don't know if he just had a bad day or what, but averaging less than 4.5 yards per pass play is not good, especially paired with 4 picks. W&L usually plays a bit soft on pass coverage, so giving up the screens and underneath balls is not unusual. Most teams can take advantage of that with a guy that can beat the first tackle. H-SC didn't seem like they had the guys to make that happen, let alone a QB or a game plan that let them test downfield throws.

Defensively H-SC was a mess. No ability to tie up the offensive line so W&L's guys were holding off the linebackers and just letting Hollerith and Hinckle get 5 yards before they were touched up the middle. We hardly ran the option at all. I think Nelson just had 3 or 4 carries. Hard to stop anyone if you are going to let them average 7+ with 2 different guys up the gut.

WL had a punt return for a TD being called back for a block in the back.  Granted it was called back but I would not say kick coverage was good either. But thanks for trying to find a silver lining.

As far as QB is concerned - Cobb is very accurate and more than capable of throwing the long ball. Maybe it was the wind, game plan or it just wasn't his day. But he's gonna be a great QB before he leaves HSC. 

[jknezek]

If you don't control the line of scrimmage you don't win; HSC 47 rushing yds. vs. W&L 566. Nothing else matters.
Those numbers make no sense at all. How in the he** is it possible to be totally dominated ? I expected W&L to win and I thought a good result for HSC would be 42 to 21, never expected what I saw in Sunday's paper.

Congrats to W&L. Time for HSC to rethink a lot of stuff and to regroup.

I was shocked TFA2. I haven't seen an H-SC team that helpless since I was in college in the 90s. Nothing worked for H-SC except kick coverage. Six turnovers doesn't help either, though W&L tried to help by giving three back. 

I'm going to chalk this one up to a rebuilding year for H-SC. Lot of underclassmen playing, so that should bode well for next year and beyond. Though the QB situation looked a bit grim. I don't know if he just had a bad day or what, but averaging less than 4.5 yards per pass play is not good, especially paired with 4 picks. W&L usually plays a bit soft on pass coverage, so giving up the screens and underneath balls is not unusual. Most teams can take advantage of that with a guy that can beat the first tackle. H-SC didn't seem like they had the guys to make that happen, let alone a QB or a game plan that let them test downfield throws.

Defensively H-SC was a mess. No ability to tie up the offensive line so W&L's guys were holding off the linebackers and just letting Hollerith and Hinckle get 5 yards before they were touched up the middle. We hardly ran the option at all. I think Nelson just had 3 or 4 carries. Hard to stop anyone if you are going to let them average 7+ with 2 different guys up the gut.

WL had a punt return for a TD being called back for a block in the back.  Granted it was called back but I would not say kick coverage was good either. But thanks for trying to find a silver lining.

As far as QB is concerned - Cobb is very accurate and more than capable of throwing the long ball. Maybe it was the wind, game plan or it just wasn't his day. But he's gonna be a great QB before he leaves HSC.

If I remember right the block in the back opened the hole that led to the TD. Though I only saw the play once at game speed on the video so don't hold me to that!

I think i'll have to trust you on Cobb. I wasn't impressed but it could have been a bad day.

How will H-SC respond? This game ties the beating Wesley put on them in the playoffs two years ago as the worst losses the Tigers have had in the d3football era. E&H can score. Shenandoah is playing good football. And RMC's defense has the ability to goose egg H-SC if they play like they did last weekend. 2 of these 3 are at home, but that is not an easy slate to bounce back against.

[tigerFanAlso2]

CMR

If the defense plays on Nov. 12th like they did on Oct. 22nd, you will have an opportunity to score plenty of points but I don't think the RMC offense is anywhere near that of W&L. We will find out sooner than later.

[HSCTiger fan]

If you don't conrrtrol the line of scrimmage you don't win; HSC 47 rushing yds. vs. W&L 566. Nothing else matters.
Those numbers make no sense at all. How in the he** is it possible to be totally dominated ? I expected W&L to win and I thought a good result for HSC would be 42 to 21, never expected what I saw in Sunday's paper.

Congrats to W&L. Time for HSC to rethink a lot of stuff and to regroup.

I was shocked TFA2. I haven't seen an H-SC team that helpless since I was in college in the 90s. Nothing worked for H-SC except kick coverage. Six turnovers doesn't help either, though W&L tried to help by giving three back. 

I'm going to chalk this one up to a rebuilding year for H-SC. Lot of underclassmen playing, so that should bode well for next year and beyond. Though the QB situation looked a bit grim. I don't know if he just had a bad day or what, but averaging less than 4.5 yards per pass play is not good, especially paired with 4 picks. W&L usually plays a bit soft on pass coverage, so giving up the screens and underneath balls is not unusual. Most teams can take advantage of that with a guy that can beat the first tackle. H-SC didn't seem like they had the guys to make that happen, let alone a QB or a game plan that let them test downfield throws.

Defensively H-SC was a mess. No ability to tie up the offensive line so W&L's guys were holding off the linebackers and just letting Hollerith and Hinckle get 5 yards before they were touched up the middle. We hardly ran the option at all. I think Nelson just had 3 or 4 carries. Hard to stop anyone if you are going to let them average 7+ with 2 different guys up the gut.

WL had a punt return for a TD being called back for a block in the back.  Granted it was called back but I would not say kick coverage was good either. But thanks for trying to find a silver lining.

As far as QB is concerned - Cobb is very accurate and more than capable of throwing the long ball. Maybe it was the wind, game plan or it just wasn't his day. But he's gonna be a great QB before he leaves HSC.

If I remember right the block in the back opened the hole that led to the TD. Though I only saw the play once at game speed on the video so don't hold me to that!

I think i'll have to trust you on Cobb. I wasn't impressed but it could have been a bad day.

How will H-SC respond? This game ties the beating Wesley put on them in the playoffs two years ago as the worst losses the Tigers have had in the d3football era. E&H can score. Shenandoah is playing good football. And RMC's defense has the ability to goose egg H-SC if they play like they did last weekend. 2 of these 3 are at home, but that is not an easy slate to bounce back against.

With a huge amount of respect, who on the HSC squad were you impressed with this past Saturday. It's obvious HSC has to improve. In 2014 WL started more sophomores and freshmen than juniors and seniors gave up 55 points to HSC and went 2-8. They went 10-0 in 2015.  I see some similarities to this HSC team. Certainly not suggesting a 10-0 team next year.  But I think we'll see a vastly improved squad.

[jknezek]

With a huge amount of respect, who on the HSC squad were you impressed with this past Saturday. It's obvious HSC has to improve. In 2014 WL started more sophomores and freshmen than juniors and seniors gave up 55 points to HSC and went 2-8. They went 10-0 in 2015.  I see some similarities to this HSC team. Certainly not suggesting a 10-0 team next year.  But I think we'll see a vastly improved squad.

That's a fair point. And no, not much impressed me about HSC last weekend. But that is the difference between reloading and rebuilding. I don't think any of us are really used to seeing HSC need a true rebuilding season. As for Cobb, that's part and parcel of being the QB. Lots of praise, lots of criticism. Though calling him unimpressive in a week where he threw 4 picks and averaged less than 5 yards per passing attempt is pretty mild. 

I don't doubt next year will be better. Injuries are playing a huge role in HSC's fate this year, like they did with W&L in 2014. Reversion to the mean in terms of injuries is to be expected. But I think in general the halcyon days for H-SC are, at least for the moment, past. They have drifted back toward the rest of the conference, or the rest of the conference has improved. I don't think they are looking at the beginning of another stretch run like 2002 through 2014 where only one season had 3 conference losses and most seasons were 2 losses or fewer. That's not to say that I think they aren't going to threaten for titles. I think they will some seasons. But that 12 season run where they were in the mix every year was exceptional for it's consistency. And that consistency has gone missing since the end of 2011.

[tigerFanAlso2]

HSC two biggest problems; they get pushed around on the line of scrimmage and if this continues they will continue to lose and the defense needs to play tough. Address those two areas and HSC will start to improve otherwise, 2-8 is coming.

[tigerFanAlso2]

Jk

Ok, can the W&L offense go over 400yds. against the RMC defense ? This could be the best game in the odac since the 4ot game against HSC. Good luck. If I were a betting man, I'd take the home team.

[jknezek]

Jk

Ok, can the W&L offense go over 400yds. against the RMC defense ? This could be the best game in the odac since the 4ot game against HSC. Good luck. If I were a betting man, I'd take the home team.

Can they? Sure. A few big plays would do it. Will they? No I don't think so. 350 or so is what I expect. I've said it a couple times. First to 24 wins. I don't think RMC can score more than that without a defensive or special teams score. I think W&L will struggle to put up more than 3 tds. RMC's defense is all that. They are fast and strong. If they keep their discipline it'll be a grind it out, frustrating game for both offenses.

[tigerFanAlso2]

so 566 yds and 52 points not an option this week !!!!

[jknezek]

so 566 yds and 52 points not an option this week !!!!

It's the option I'd like to see, but on a probability chart that would fall in a fat tail.

[jknezek]

Huge day in the ODAC today. Setting aside RMC at W&L, each of the other three games is significant.  After E&H's 0-2 start to the conference season they are trying for their third straight win at HSC. The Tigers need to bounce back from last week's debacle or this season becomes very dark. Surprising Shenandoah visits D.C., working to keep their title hopes open. Catholic is still looking for a conference win in their last ODAC season. Finally Bridgewater and Guilford need to salvage their seasons. Both teams are riding three game slides, though it is Guilford that has buckled under expectations. Good luck today and here's hoping there are no injuries.

[jknezek]

RMC making it look easy against the Generals. Two easy looking drives, the RMC oline is just dominating W&L right now. Generals need to get some answers.

[jknezek]

Painful right now. 2 huge gains called back by holding penalties and a turnover deep in their own end. W&L needs to do better.