FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[tigerFanAlso2]

Its been a long time since HSC beat W&L, so it does feel good.
Been an even longer time since HSC has beaten RMC; fingers crossed. Go Tigers

[HSCTiger fan]

Its been a long time since HSC beat W&L, so it does feel good.
Been an even longer time since HSC has beaten RMC; fingers crossed. Go Tigers

Last beat WL in 14.  Last beat RMC in 13. Last beat RMC at home in 2010. None of this matters if HSC  figures out a way to win Saturday.

One thing that's not going to change is the dominance of HSC, RMC and WL winning ODAC championships. These are the only 3 teams to win an ODAC championship since 2006. Bridgewater won every championship from 2000 to 2005. Can anyone name the last ODAC champion not named HSC, RMC, WL, or BC without looking it up?  I could have had 8 picks before I would have guess this one.

[HSCTiger74]

Its been a long time since HSC beat W&L, so it does feel good.
Been an even longer time since HSC has beaten RMC; fingers crossed. Go Tigers

Last beat WL in 14.  Last beat RMC in 13. Last beat RMC at home in 2010. None of this matters if HSC  figures out a way to win Saturday.

One thing that's not going to change is the dominance of HSC, RMC and WL winning ODAC championships. These are the only 3 teams to win an ODAC championship since 2006. Bridgewater won every championship from 2000 to 2005. Can anyone name the last ODAC champion not named HSC, RMC, WL, or BC without looking it up?  I could have has 8 picks before I would have guess this one.

Based on absolutely no knowledge whatsoever I'd guess E&H. And I promise I didn't look it up if this happens to be right. 

[jknezek]

Pretty sure it was Catholic. I think they won the first AQ their first year in the conference.

[HSCTiger fan]

Pretty sure it was Catholic. I think they won the first AQ their first year in the conference.

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It was CUA.  They won despite not playing all the conference teams. They went 5-0 but there were 7 teams. They played every ODAC team except WL.  Not sure why.

[HSCTiger64]

Mind blowing that E&H, a once really proud football program/tradition has not been an ODAC champ this millennium as we move into the 2019 season now with no love for the Wasps.  Also wild that in over a decade since they were going to Stagg Bowls and dominating, Bridgewater hasn't won one.  What gave these schools such an advantage is my question?  I used to think W&L was handicapped by entrance requirements but I'd argue the ability to nationally recruit will always give them a leg up.  (Plus going to the triple was genius) H-SC used to have an edge facilities wise, not so much anymore.  I hate to admit it but RMC and E&H have beautiful football facilities.  Wilson Field is beautiful too imo.  What separates RMC/W&L/H-SC though?

[tigerFanAlso2]

TigerFan

The hell with the history lesson, we're looking forward. HSC stopped the W&L trend off dominating us, one more trend needs to stop; RMC beating our a______.
The HSC community in Richmond area is pumped. Expect a big crowd if we have decent weather. Lets get it done. Go Tigers.


On another subject, the winner of this game is not going to like where they play on the 17th. I'm thinking Alliance, Ohio.
But much football yet to be played that will determine all of that stuff.

Safe travels to all coming to THE GAME, hopefully it will be a classic. I really do not know what to expect.

[jknezek]

Pretty sure it was Catholic. I think they won the first AQ their first year in the conference.

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It was CUA.  They won despite not playing all the conference teams. They went 5-0 but there were 7 teams. They played every ODAC team except WL.  Not sure why.

Catholic was kind of a late addition to get the ODAC over the minimum for an AQ and W&L had existing OOC contracts they didn't want to get out of. So they were given an exemption for that year.

[jknezek]

Mind blowing that E&H, a once really proud football program/tradition has not been an ODAC champ this millennium as we move into the 2019 season now with no love for the Wasps.  Also wild that in over a decade since they were going to Stagg Bowls and dominating, Bridgewater hasn't won one.  What gave these schools such an advantage is my question?  I used to think W&L was handicapped by entrance requirements but I'd argue the ability to nationally recruit will always give them a leg up.  (Plus going to the triple was genius) H-SC used to have an edge facilities wise, not so much anymore.  I hate to admit it but RMC and E&H have beautiful football facilities.  Wilson Field is beautiful too imo.  What separates RMC/W&L/H-SC though?

I can tell you what happened with Bridgewater. The guy running the admissions door left and all of a sudden there wasn't the emphasis they had the previous 5 years. It really was that simple. Coach Clarke is a good coach, but that run was all set up by the athletes they were willing to push through the admissions door in an attempt to raise the college profile. When the big backer of that strategy left, so did the dominance.

As for E&H, that's a different story. E&H was dominant in the 80s and 90s, just a different time for DIII football. They were huge in that community in the 80s. That massive stadium was rocking packed with locals every home game. The atmosphere was big time. And by DIII standards, E&H is still a well supported team, but it doesn't mean as much to play there. They used to own the big local boys. They were scrapping with VT for recruits in the 80s. But college football changed. Small college ball lost the cache to DI as TV took over and E&H lost their pipeline. They hung around through the late 90s because Coach Wacker had a great reputation with the high schools, but they started to look like a million other small school options. Once Coach Wacker got old, not even hiring an incredibly expensive coach with a UMU reputation could bring back the glory, especially since Montgomery didn't have the contacts and pull that Whacker had developed.

[jknezek]

What separates RMC/W&L/H-SC though?

Recruiting, coaching, facilities. We will see if W&L can stay in that grouping. With the talent they had this year, the results have been disappointing in my opinion. Coach Abell was brilliant at coaching and very good at recruiting. He's exceeding expectations at Davidson for year one and I expect that will continue. We will see if Coach LeRose can fill his shoes in those two areas. They are massive shoes and that is required for a school like W&L to continue in the ODAC's top tier.

[waspers77]

Mind blowing that E&H, a once really proud football program/tradition has not been an ODAC champ this millennium as we move into the 2019 season now with no love for the Wasps.  Also wild that in over a decade since they were going to Stagg Bowls and dominating, Bridgewater hasn't won one.  What gave these schools such an advantage is my question?  I used to think W&L was handicapped by entrance requirements but I'd argue the ability to nationally recruit will always give them a leg up.  (Plus going to the triple was genius) H-SC used to have an edge facilities wise, not so much anymore.  I hate to admit it but RMC and E&H have beautiful football facilities.  Wilson Field is beautiful too imo.  What separates RMC/W&L/H-SC though?

I can tell you what happened with Bridgewater. The guy running the admissions door left and all of a sudden there wasn't the emphasis they had the previous 5 years. It really was that simple. Coach Clarke is a good coach, but that run was all set up by the athletes they were willing to push through the admissions door in an attempt to raise the college profile. When the big backer of that strategy left, so did the dominance.

As for E&H, that's a different story. E&H was dominant in the 80s and 90s, just a different time for DIII football. They were huge in that community in the 80s. That massive stadium was rocking packed with locals every home game. The atmosphere was big time. And by DIII standards, E&H is still a well supported team, but it doesn't mean as much to play there. They used to own the big local boys. They were scrapping with VT for recruits in the 80s. But college football changed. Small college ball lost the cache to DI as TV took over and E&H lost their pipeline. They hung around through the late 90s because Coach Wacker had a great reputation with the high schools, but they started to look like a million other small school options. Once Coach Wacker got old, not even hiring an incredibly expensive coach with a UMU reputation could bring back the glory, especially since Montgomery didn't have the contacts and pull that Whacker had developed.

That is true. E&H football doesnt seem to hold a candle to what it was in the 80's and 90's. Youre right about losing the edge on the big guys coming out of SWVA and East Tennessee, but i think that interest in football in general in that area is declining. Newsome has placed some focus back on that area for recruiting and it has somewhat paid off (josh fleenor, justin banks, and alot of kids coming out of the tennessee tri-cities and western NC), but this area is just not fertile like it used to be. One of the major things that I noticed is the dropoff in statewide football recruits. I am from the west end of Richmond and there are hardly anyone from my area ends up at exit 26 much less sticks around for four years. There used to be a large percentage of players coming from central and eastern Virginia when Emory was dominant. Lou Wacker and ex-president Charlie Sydnor are east Richmond and highland springs guys. Coach newsome is from Hampton and there used to be a huge pipeline from that area. Nowadays, all of this funnels straight into HSC/RMC and W&L has found its niche in more national recruiting. I loved emory and the football program. The facilities and the alumni are outstanding but im not sure what could change in terms of recruiting.

[Pat Coleman]

Pretty sure it was Catholic. I think they won the first AQ their first year in the conference.

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It was CUA.  They won despite not playing all the conference teams. They went 5-0 but there were 7 teams. They played every ODAC team except WL.  Not sure why.

W&L refused to play Catholic. Seemed like a passive-aggressive protest to Catholic's inclusion in the conference.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Pretty sure it was Catholic. I think they won the first AQ their first year in the conference.

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It was CUA.  They won despite not playing all the conference teams. They went 5-0 but there were 7 teams. They played every ODAC team except WL.  Not sure why.

W&L refused to play Catholic. Seemed like a passive-aggressive protest to Catholic's inclusion in the conference.

Will W&L play Southern VA next year?

[Pat Coleman]

I think the administration has changed a bit in the past 20 years, so I hope so, although I know the old admin did not want Southern Virginia in the conference either.

[HSCTiger fan]

I would love to hear from RMC fans. But only 1 post from an RMC fan since 10/31. What's going on?  It's beat HSC week in Ashland.  Beat Macon week in Farmville. HSC had nearly 10,000 people at homecoming a couple of weeks ago. If the weather is good I'd expect about 12 to 13,000 this weekend. Should be a fun weekend. 

I have a few questions:

Does Pedro still ban players from wearing any garnet or grey to team meetings?

Does he still require players to check into the football office every morning, including weekends?

Will he still kick a kid off the team for liking a FB post by a HSC player?

Does he measure the length of the players socks before games?

Does he refer to HSC as "HSC" or as "that team down south"?

Does he still play with water balloons?

Now please don't take offense!  I'm just messing with you all. It's part of the fun right?  It's much more fun if an RMC poster is involved.