FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

y_jack_lok · September 15, 2019, 10:00:42 AM

In week one ODAC schools went 2-5. This week they were 7-0. Week one Ferrum and Shennandoah did not play. Week two SVU and E&H did not play.

Macon · September 15, 2019, 10:22:25 AM

Looking at HSC/CNU stats, there was 94 yards rushing total for both schools. Was that bad offense or good defense? Always wondered why CNU doesn't dominate DIII. Great facilities, perfect location, cheaper state tuition, much larger student enrollment, etc.

HSCTiger fan · September 15, 2019, 11:36:06 AM

Quote from: Macon on September 15, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Looking at HSC/CNU stats, there was 94 yards rushing total for both schools. Was that bad offense or good defense? Always wondered why CNU doesn't dominate DIII. Great facilities, perfect location, cheaper state tuition, much larger student enrollment, etc.

HSC defense played lights out. HSC did not try to run the ball very much only 16 attempts. HSC was without Caleb Smith. CNU defense played great too. HSC ran QB effectively at times. One very positive thing was after giving up way too many sacks the week before the HSC OL did not give up a sack last night.

Pat Coleman · September 15, 2019, 01:35:10 PM

Quote from: Macon on September 15, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Looking at HSC/CNU stats, there was 94 yards rushing total for both schools. Was that bad offense or good defense? Always wondered why CNU doesn't dominate DIII. Great facilities, perfect location, cheaper state tuition, much larger student enrollment, etc.

CNU did do better before a couple of things happened: the school started raising its entrance requirements and Old Dominion started football. Obviously, now with ODU at the FBS level, they probably won't be drawing as many kids away from CNU as they did when they were FCS, just recruiting a different kind of kid, but not sure if those tweener kids think about CNU or what.

They also changed coaches recently, probably was time for a new coach. Have to catch up.

Macon · September 15, 2019, 04:01:31 PM

More info on Tre Frederick's accomplishments:

Frederick has 4,316 career rushing yards. He passed the total of 4,276 by former Yellow Jacket Remon Smith (1984-87) for the program and ODAC record. Frederick is seventh on the career rushing list for the state of Virginia.
Frederick has 776 career rushing attempts, the second-highest total in ODAC history. He trails the total of 786 by Anthony Lawrence of Bridgewater (1986-89).

He should surpass the attempts record next week.

HSCTiger fan · September 16, 2019, 09:14:01 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Macon on September 15, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Looking at HSC/CNU stats, there was 94 yards rushing total for both schools. Was that bad offense or good defense? Always wondered why CNU doesn't dominate DIII. Great facilities, perfect location, cheaper state tuition, much larger student enrollment, etc.

CNU did do better before a couple of things happened: the school started raising its entrance requirements and Old Dominion started football. Obviously, now with ODU at the FBS level, they probably won't be drawing as many kids away from CNU as they did when they were FCS, just recruiting a different kind of kid, but not sure if those tweener kids think about CNU or what.

They also changed coaches recently, probably was time for a new coach. Have to catch up.

I would definitely agree with entrance requirements. Not sure what it costs to go to CNU today. But when my son looked at CNU it was about 27k for out of state and about 20k for in state. HSC was 42k but they offered a 16k academic scholarship. Making for a total of 26k. So for us it was cheaper to send him to HSC than CNU as we live in NC. If we had lived in VA I think there's a grant provided by the state to attend private school. I know costs has gone up at both schools but I assume scholarships/grants have increased as well.

It is the only public liberal arts college in VA. If you're looking for a liberal arts education I think many of the ODAC schools have a better reputation and rank higher in many of the various publications. They do have very nice facilities but so do all of the ODAC schools. As far as location, I would not want to be walking off campus in broad daylight in the areas surrounding CNU. It's pretty rough.

Pat Coleman · September 17, 2019, 12:15:32 AM

What is Mary Washington, then?

hasanova · September 19, 2019, 09:46:26 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2019, 12:15:32 AM
What is Mary Washington, then?

Exactly.

Macon · September 20, 2019, 09:59:19 AM

Well, UMW is a public liberal arts school, but one without a football team. So, within the context of a football discussion, I'll have to defend my friend from HSC. CNU is the only public liberal arts college in VA (that plays DIII football).

Macon · September 20, 2019, 12:50:16 PM

Looking forward to conference play, as we'll learn a lot this weekend as to where teams line up.

Air Raid · September 20, 2019, 03:14:43 PM

Quote from: Macon on September 20, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
Looking forward to conference play, as we'll learn a lot this weekend as to where teams line up.

Conference games always seem to bring some interesting and unexpected drama, but in my opinion the most interesting matchup of the week is the out of conference game between AU and Ferrum. Should be a great Saturday

Wild Horse Rider · September 20, 2019, 03:19:30 PM

It is a shame the Ferrum left the USAC and went to the ODAC when they did. Brian Mann has rushed for 4,758 yards through 3 years and a game to go along with 48 rushing TDs on 793 carries. He had 3,009 yards through the first 2 seasons while in the USAC and if he gets another 1,500 yards this season he would have over 3,000 in the ODAC as well. I am starting an informal petition to have him listed in both conferences record book with a small asterisk somewhere.

USAC career rushing record 3,907 by Jacques Alston from NCWC
USAC career rushing TD record 42 Sean Bowman from Averett
USAC career rushing attempts 725 Anthony Frates from Shenandoah
ODAC career record record 4,316 (and counting) Tre Frederick from RMC
ODAC career rushing TD 59 Josh Simpson of HSC
ODAC career rushing attempts 786 (for now) Anthony Lawrence BC

If Mann continues on the same pace he did for the first 3 seasons he would finish with 6,152 yards, 61 TDs, and 1,036 attempts. He already owns most of the schools records and unfortunately will fall well short of most of the national rushing records held by Nate Kmic of Mount Union. Kmic did have the advantage of 56 games in his time with the Purple Raiders and even if Ferrum goes to the playoffs it will not amount to near enough.

y_jack_lok · September 20, 2019, 04:51:02 PM

^^^ Interesting problem/dilemma and unfortunate timing for Brian Mann. I think he will just have to fit where he fits in the record books of both conferences for the years he played in each given that most of his stats in each conference were obtained by playing against schools in that conference and not schools in the other conference.

Wild Horse Rider · September 21, 2019, 11:09:57 AM

Because of how much these two conferences play each other by the end of this season if Ferrum doesn't make a postseason game the last 4 years they have played 19 ODAC teams and 19 USASC teams. The only other games were against Apprentice.

y_jack_lok · September 21, 2019, 12:11:51 PM

Hmm. Well, that's pretty balanced. If Ferrum had spent all four years in the ODAC at the end of this season they would have played 29 against ODAC teams and 11 against others. I guess this assumes that Catholic would not have been in the conference any of those years. I forget when Catholic left the ODAC. I imagine the numbers would be similar if Ferrum had remained in fhe USA South.