FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Jeremybozz]

Bridgewater #24 in d3football.com poll.

[jknezek]

I did not watch the game but I don't doubt the refs were bad because they are always bad. Typically for both teams. I had a recent conversation with an experienced high school ref. HS refs are also calling ODAC games. He says there's a tremendous shortage of referees. He said it won't be many more years before HS football will be forced to play games on Thursday, Friday and Saturdays due to the lack of referees. I would assume there's a trickle up effect. Fewer HS refs means fewer D3 refs. I was at a HS game last night that had 25 penalties called. It was for the conference championship. The refs ruined what should have been a great game. It's sad to say but it happens often.

It's the same for all sports these days. Who wants to be an umpire or a ref for any sport? People like me jump all over you, though I still think it was deserved for the absolute homer show they put on Saturday, and there is little reward for adults. We see it at all levels of soccer and even in my martial arts there are problems. At our World tournament in July I saw parents curse out judges and storm out with their 8,9,10 year old kids when calls went against them.

I will say though, that if you can put up with it, the money isn't bad for teenagers. My nephew refs youth soccer. During tournaments he makes $30 per line and $50 to center ref. Games are 40-60 minutes depending on age and he can do 6 or 7 in a tournament day. For a 2 day tournament, as a 15 year old, he can pull in almost $500. You just have to put up with the parents and fans.

[Ralph Turner]

Back in the day, I would act as assistant referee for the U-10 and U-8 games in which we had a teenager in the middle. Having an adult seemed to calm down the sidelines in our leagues.

[rmc1982]

rmc1982 I agree with you that the Refs missed some calls both ways, One touchdown pass that RMC got there were two Refs looking at the catch and I have seen pictures of the catch and the foot is out on the white stripe by a good 6 inches clearly out of bounds but they gave it to them. Calls will be missed during the game but it seems that WL are getting bad calls that directly effect the outcome of the game and that is the bad part of it. Congrats! You guys won the Game! Good luck against Bridgewater and Hampton.

I was there and the officiating was awful but it wasn't totally one sided. There were more bad calls on your Gennies I'll admit but they were equally terrible both ways. I really didn't see what happened on the interception because after he picked it off I went inside( we were in the YJ Club upstairs in Birdsong Hall and I was watching from the balcony) and when we got downstairs we still had the ball. I will say your Gennies definitely deserved to win. We gave up 4 TD's on drives less than 4 plays- two long runs up the middle on 1st down in the 4th quarter- very uncharacteristic of Pedro's defensive teams. We were upstairs in Birdsong and a lot of what was happening was at the opposite end and we couldn't really see it that well but I'll take your word for it. The conference should be embarrassed over the officiating and this certainly isn't the first time it's been brought up. Kudos to the Gennies for a good game.... we have to go to Bridgewater next weekend and if we play like we did yesterday we will get ROCKED.
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[/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong but in college football only ONE FOOT has to be inbounds for a completion??

[Generals98]

I agree there was missed calls both ways but the BAD Calls against the Generals took it out of the players hands and the Refs decided it. You are right you only need one foot but the foot I was talking about been 6 inches out was the closest one to being inbounds so both were out and two refs looking right at it. It was clear I have seen the still shot and watched it over and over not even close. The Interception the flag for offsides came after the play and I watched the play over and over and did not see anybody offsides and as you know that would of ended the game. Good Luck to you guys. It is just a shame that the Coaches and players have lost two games taken from them by officials. I guess next year you just have to make sure it is not close so it will not matter.

rmc1982 I agree with you that the Refs missed some calls both ways, One touchdown pass that RMC got there were two Refs looking at the catch and I have seen pictures of the catch and the foot is out on the white stripe by a good 6 inches clearly out of bounds but they gave it to them. Calls will be missed during the game but it seems that WL are getting bad calls that directly effect the outcome of the game and that is the bad part of it. Congrats! You guys won the Game! Good luck against Bridgewater and Hampton.

I was there and the officiating was awful but it wasn't totally one sided. There were more bad calls on your Gennies I'll admit but they were equally terrible both ways. I really didn't see what happened on the interception because after he picked it off I went inside( we were in the YJ Club upstairs in Birdsong Hall and I was watching from the balcony) and when we got downstairs we still had the ball. I will say your Gennies definitely deserved to win. We gave up 4 TD's on drives less than 4 plays- two long runs up the middle on 1st down in the 4th quarter- very uncharacteristic of Pedro's defensive teams. We were upstairs in Birdsong and a lot of what was happening was at the opposite end and we couldn't really see it that well but I'll take your word for it. The conference should be embarrassed over the officiating and this certainly isn't the first time it's been brought up. Kudos to the Gennies for a good game.... we have to go to Bridgewater next weekend and if we play like we did yesterday we will get ROCKED.

[/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong but in college football only ONE FOOT has to be inbounds for a completion??
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[Pat Coleman]

It's hard to prove anything from one still frame. What does the video show?

[thescottharris]

FWIW to HSC fans, your guys are the #1 seed in the ODAC futebol tournament.

Yes. But that is ridiculously tainted by the ODAC's unbalanced schedule. H-SC didn't have to play either the 2 or 3 seed in the regular season. Their best result was a HOME tie against the 4th seed and a HOME win against the 5th seed. W&L, the 2 seed, played the three, four, and five seeds.

The conference is simply too big in many sports. It sets up completely ridiculous scenarios like this.

W&L only has themselves to blame for losing to the #7 seed in the regular season, a team that managed just a 7-11 regular season record and a 4-4 mark in the ODAC.

[Generals98]

That he was out. The ref that was about 10 feet away looks to ask the ref that is under the goal post and he points at them and then the ref puts up the TD signal.  So, we have a ref that is right on the play and another about 20-25 feet up on the same sideline and it looks like the ref under the goal post makes the call. SAD!!

It's hard to prove anything from one still frame. What does the video show?

[y_jack_lok]

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

[bleedpurple]

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

That video is like the biggest tease ever! So close to catching it...but not.

[jknezek]

FWIW to HSC fans, your guys are the #1 seed in the ODAC futebol tournament.

Yes. But that is ridiculously tainted by the ODAC's unbalanced schedule. H-SC didn't have to play either the 2 or 3 seed in the regular season. Their best result was a HOME tie against the 4th seed and a HOME win against the 5th seed. W&L, the 2 seed, played the three, four, and five seeds.

The conference is simply too big in many sports. It sets up completely ridiculous scenarios like this.

W&L only has themselves to blame for losing to the #7 seed in the regular season, a team that managed just a 7-11 regular season record and a 4-4 mark in the ODAC.

No doubt. It should be an interesting end to the tourney. Doesn't change the issue with the ODAC scheduling.

[Generals98]

The video I saw was much clearer. I can see why they picked that one. LOL. It was an easy call that was missed and I used that to give the Refs the benefit of the doubt. They have a tough job, but two refs with clear views of the catch and his feet missed it and they asked the back judge half way across the field to make the call from the goal post. One ref was 35 feet away on the line and he didn't say a word. The one ref was 10 feet away with a clear view and didn't make the call. If instant replay was used it would have been overturned not even close. But guess what it was a TD because they called it that. It was just one of a few that changed the game. It is just sad that the game was not decided on the field by the coaches and players. Just my thoughts which with a buck might get you a small coffee. Congrats to Randolph Macon!

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

[wally_wabash]

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

You can't see the right foot, but, in my view, I'd say that right foot is more likely in than out. 

[Pat Coleman]

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

You can't see the right foot, but, in my view, I'd say that right foot is more likely in than out.

Which is exactly why one still photo of a foot out of bounds doesn't prove anything. One still photo can't show that it was the first foot to land.

[Odacfootball85]

I found the video I watched and the two pictures to give you a still shot. A little better view. IN or OUT? Again a tough job but the two refs in the picture differed to a ref not in the video but behind that ref and further away under the goal post. You can see in the video the closest ref pointing to the ref under the middle of the goal post which makes the call. The one ref on the white line does not say a thing. Again tough job and no replay but it looks obvious to me. Again not the only thing that cost WL the game but it sure didn't help.

https://www.facebook.com/richard.tinsley.7/posts/10206235638606245?notif_id=1572975644326362&notif_t=video_processed

Regarding the catch in the corner of the end zone. In this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/KirkNawrotzky/status/1190809843600412672

is a 54 second video of R-MC highlights from the game. The play in question begins at about the 40 second mark. Pretty hard to tell where the receiver's rjght foot lands. The left foot clearly lands out of bounds, but the right foot seems to come down first -- just can't tell where. Judge for yourselves.

You can't see the right foot, but, in my view, I'd say that right foot is more likely in than out.