FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[mizzou_mafia]

Kid and Llama,

I'll agree that the final scores in the BC games is a bit deceiving, with the 4th quarter scores against the 2nd stringers.  However, I do think Algernon's comparison still holds water.  I don't believe that this is the first BC team that has put in 2nd/3rd stringers late in the game.

Then perhaps this may suggest the 2nd/3rd stringers of '00 & '01 were better than the ones this season?

That may be it exactly Kid!  Afterall, it was a small recruiting class this year. 

Of course, the other thing it may suggest is that those 2000-01 1st teamers built bigger leads... or played longer...

I think what it boils down to is that this year's defense as a whole has not played as well, or does not have the talent that the past BC playoff squads had.   

[Hug]

You can bend stats anyway you want to. BC has been in a survive and advance mode ever since the McDaniel debocle(sp?) I don't think Coach Clark really cares what the point spread differnetial is.

[Gal]

hey kid, what IS the name of that song we play when we score?!?!?!  

Believe it or not, there's something Kid DIDN'T know concerning BC football! 

[wrighthall220]

Since when is BC held to BCS standards... it's sounding like Colbert and Clark need to hang 70+ on an ODAC team to garner and "respect".. although I highly doubt they're looking for respect from a bunch of Post Pattern members.    I for one can appreciate the fact that Clark and his staff ALWAYS try to play as many players possible.. I was one of those non-starting players at BC and I enjoyed every minute of my football career at BC and a big part of that was the fact Clark put in the 2nd/3rd and 4th string players as soon as he could.   Point spreads are honestly overrated, the experience and fun the 2nds and 3rds had during the GC/E&H games will always outweigh the fact that they gave up a huge lead late in the game.   Games wouldn't be nearly as fun to go to if BC kept their starting teams in and put up 70 on each ODAC team.  

As far as "parity" goes in the ODAC this year, it's been nice and I hope alot of teams develop the standard HSC feeling of "this is OUR year".. it certainly makes things more interesting around here along with making the actual games more fun to attend/play.  


*And yes the 2000 and 2001 2nd/3rd and 4th teams at BC were better than they are this year!  *

[Llamaguy]

You edited your post! 

I bet you knew I was going to look up and post those figures

Never known you to turn down a trip to Hooters or miss an opportunity to "drop some statistics"! 

The only stat that matters to BC this week is W! By one point or 50, doesn't matter.

[Llamaguy]

hey kid, what IS the name of that song we play when we score?!?!?!  

Believe it or not, there's something Kid DIDN'T know concerning BC football! 

Wait now Gal. I actually spoke to a Pep Band member who said it was a version of the song you named, but not the same BF, just sped up. I'm sure Kid will claim the technicality.

[xbcdad]

After the trip to the Stagg bowl I predicted that, ultimately, BC's  success would result in an overall improvement in the quality of ODAC football. Below is my assessment of the curent and coming state of the conference... If you have patience to read it.

I suspect that the startup of Shenandoah (NOVA) and CNU(757) blunted or delayed that process by increasing competition for local recruits. At the same time CUA lost Faret and Clark and much of the DC Catholic school recruits diverted to HSC. Clark seems to be regaining the Catholic/DC recruiting edge and the Cards are poised to make some noise and there seems to be some commitment from administration to give the program some much needed support. E&H made the commitment to the program with the coming of Monty. They will be better.

GCQ seems to get a few great athletes every now and again and can be a threat if they can build on their recruiting. The really questrion will be whether the new coaching staff will continue to get the support it needs. BC, HSC and W&L have the benifit of continuity in the coaching staff. I think all will need to make some investments in facilities to retain their recruiting edge ...especially BC. If CUA can keep it's coaching staff in place they may well return to their frmer domination of the ODAC. What we can hope for is 2 playoff teams.

Personally, while I hate to see BC loose i much prefer going into games genuinely uncertain of the outcome. While I went 2-4 with my picks last  week I'll take that if we can pick up some out of conference wins and a more competetive conference.

What da ya think? Am I off base on my assessment, on target, or just irrelavant?

[CBE]

You can dream algernon.  BC will not lose all three of those games.  One could argue that ODAC parity might lead to one BC loss, but not all three.  You can compare common opponetts all that you want.  BC lost to McDaniel because they turned the ball over three times in the second half.  McDaniel has since lost their top two quarterbacks and went in the tank.  Imagine BC playing with Nick Lincoln as their starting quarterback rather than Lewis or Highfill.  RMC beat a McDaniel team playing with its third string quarterback. 

Go BC. Get 'r done

And without their all conference tailback (Maybank).  McDaniel played 3-4 different QB's during the game.  Totally different team, but it's still a nice win for Macon.

[religion_major]

CBE,
Is Bear back?  I heard he was out for a long time but did not know who else they had lost.  It is a good win for RMC.  Hopefully they can build some momentum and get better.

[CBE]

CBE,
Is Bear back?  I heard he was out for a long time but did not know who else they had lost.  It is a good win for RMC.  Hopefully they can build some momentum and get better.

No, Baer's not back.  He will be accessed again this week, but word I hear is he's thinking about redshirting.  I don't know what the rules are for that since he did play in a game this year.  The second team QB got hurt in the 2nd qtr with a shoulder injury and didn't return.  McDaniel's played uninspired ball the last 2 weeks.  They may not win another game this year unless they get their heads together...they have F&M, Mulenburg, and Hopkins left.

[hasanova]

xbcdad - I agree with your assessment of the state of the ODAC.  Actually, a stronger ODAC top to bottom will aid BC and any other team hoping to be ranked and selected for the postseason.  I can't speak for all the ODAC shools, but I do see some programs taking steps to improve.   At GC, there is a renewed commitment to recruiting, facilities and so forth.  They always say the new coach gets what the old coach needed, so time will tell how long that will last.  Ketchum had been there 14 years and except for '91 & '97 (8-2, 4-1) just couldn't seem to sustain a winning tradition.   Not sure how much of that was him and how much was lack of support from the administration.  Perhaps some of both.  He is a Guilford alumnus and I am glad he is doing well with the defense at WSSU.   Some of our readers might like to know that Guilford has announced a $1.1 million dollar initial upgrade to Armfield Stadium (new bleachers, new press box, remodel/upgrade the exterior walll, new scoreboard and so forth.  There is also a campaign to raise money for other potential changes such as a concession area, restrooms, lights, and maybe, just maybe, a fieldhouse.  I've haven't seen the plans, but I know some insiders who have.  The first phase is scheduled to be in place for the opening game in 2006.       

[Llamaguy]

That now gives us almost half of the ODAC with Football facility upgrades:

Hampden-Sydney  =  4+ million $ upgrade
Catholic = 1+ million $ upgrade
Guilford = 1+ million $ upgrade

Guess its time for some other ODAC schools, (hint,hint) to up the ante?

[cuaplayer]

I agree about how the ODAC seems like its poised for a big change.

Like what happened about 5 years ago, alot of teams made of alot of changes in an effort to not be dominated by the top dog.

I think the same thing is happening now.

It will be interesting to see who wins the next round of 1 upsmanship.

From a strictly recruiting point of view I see it as between BC and CUA.  Don't know enough about what Guilford is doing down there. BC because of the kind of recruting they have always been able to do and CUA because of the kind of recruiting Tom Clark was able to do and his done in his first full recruiting season. I'm on the fence with HSC. I don't know enough about the players they have been bringing in.

Of course I'm a little biased but I see no reason why CUA won't be returning to top 10 form in 2-3 years.  0-10 to very competitive has impressed me alot. If they had any kind of running game this year, you would be seeing a team scoring 40 plus points a game in their sleep. They just cant get it done with the short field in the red zone. But they are there probably 8 times a game average.

Gotta love seeing the ODAC being so competitive. I agree with BC being a couple steps ahead of the rest of the pack. They are the only team that is balanced. They are gonna have to make a ton of mistakes to lose to W and L and I don't see that happening when they have the luxury of Washington and Young. They can just hand it off and see the same results that W and L are gonna have to try and get by passing.

[hasanova]

Re: GC recruiting - the "word on the street' is that Guilford is focusing on 3 fronts 1) a few transfers from JCs - there are about 4 from Arizona Western JC this year where one of the new assistant coaches had been 2) more NC recruits from the many GC alumni that are HS head coaches and 3) Pennsylvania which is Coach Kiesel's old backyard.

[cuaplayer]

I don't know how much competing they have to do to get players but they seem to be in sort of a vacuum away from the rest of the conference. I know that definitely give CUA a huge advantage with players from the northeast. It seems that with some support GC could have the same sort of advantage being the southern most squad