FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[narch]

hug - i for one would love to see a mc/b'water match-up...i know the monarchs are better than the bottom portion of the odac (gcq/ehc), now i'd like to see how they stack up against the top...and bc was the only odac team the monarchs owned a winning record against (5-4) before beating ehc this year (of course, mc primarily played bc when they were bad...and ehc for that matter ) - i know that mc has a return trip to svu next year that will come off the schedule, but i'm not sure of the status of the salisbury series - there was a lot of chest puffing from the salisbury coaches (and players & fans) last year when the monarchs wouldn't give up a home game to go to ssu since the previous game was cancelled (it had already been planned as family weekend, and mc wasn't willing to change the date of family weekend) - mc only played 4 home games this year to accomodate the gulls, and i've heard that may have been the last game of that series - maybe the monarchs can pick up the eagles for '07...let's make that happen

[casper]

So the Bookstore Bandit was headed to WVU???

[cuaplayer]

1. Who cares about others outside of d3? I sort of thought that was the entire point of D3. It is its own world, with higher standards, and is more "pure". Why are we seeking to be recognized by the casual football fan. The beauty of d3 is how "un-commercial" it is. d3 is about the experience and participating in something that noone who hasn't played at this level can understand. Isn't it sort of anti-D3 establishment to be heralded for individual accomplishments? Something says sell out about this how Elliot for heisman campaign. I hate this Elliot for heisman campaign. That being said I voted anyway to support what d3football.com is trying to do.

2. BC guys getting behind anyone as a heisman candidate is hypocritical. 3 weeks ago it was less about stats and more about how the team plays when comparing Lewis and Ricca. The BC guys, to a man, wanted nothing to do with stats.  Now that they're guy has the stats its all about him getting individual recognition. Something smells. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I thought BC was "above" that.

3. Outsider14,

I don't enough about this subject. Seem like you do. I was always of the opinion that alot of guys who end up in d3 could play on d1a teams and some of them could be stars in the right situation. Am I wrong?

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

1. Who cares about others outside of d3? I sort of thought that was the entire point of D3. It is its own world, with higher standards, and is more "pure". Why are we seeking to be recognized by the casual football fan. The beauty of d3 is how "un-commercial" it is. d3 is about the experience and participating in something that noone who hasn't played at this level can understand. Isn't it sort of anti-D3 establishment to be heralded for individual accomplishments? Something says sell out about this how Elliot for heisman campaign. I hate this Elliot for heisman campaign. That being said I voted anyway to support what d3football.com is trying to do.

2. BC guys getting behind anyone as a heisman candidate is hypocritical. 3 weeks ago it was less about stats and more about how the team plays when comparing Lewis and Ricca. The BC guys, to a man, wanted nothing to do with stats.  Now that they're guy has the stats its all about him getting individual recognition. Something smells. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I thought BC was "above" that.

3. Outsider14,

I don't enough about this subject. Seem like you do. I was always of the opinion that alot of guys who end up in d3 could play on d1a teams and some of them could be stars in the right situation. Am I wrong?

Long day at the office?

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

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2. BC guys getting behind anyone as a heisman candidate is hypocritical. 3 weeks ago it was less about stats and more about how the team plays when comparing Lewis and Ricca. The BC guys, to a man, wanted nothing to do with stats.  Now that they're guy has the stats its all about him getting individual recognition. Something smells. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I thought BC was "above" that.
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Sarcasm aside...

The Lewis-Ricca "debate" was of who we would rather have at QB.  And I think we agreed that Ricca had the stats, but most BC fans would take Lewis because, well, we're 6-1 with him (among other things) and we've won all three games against Ricca w/ the less than impressive stat QBs in Jenkins, Wakefield, and Lewis.

The "Marcus for Heisman" is more than just statistics.  Shoot, if you look at just his rushing stats compared to the rest of Division III, he has only puts up the 46th highest rushing total a game (103.5).  He's one of 15 or so running backs who have at least 13 rushing TDs.  Neither of those stats totals are eye-popping.  To us BC fans, and of course we are "slightly" biased because he's our own, Marcus is more than his stats.  Just like Reggie Bush is.  Reggie is only ranked 11th (for DI-A) in rushing yards a game and only 50th in points a game (11.1).  But most will agree he's one of the top three players in the country even without the stats.  I'd say that about Marcus on the DIII level.  Shoot, we can even bring in the NFL into this argument.  Michael Vick has terrible QB stats, but he's one of the top five players in the NFL.

[cuaplayer]

Kid,

Agree with everything you say about Washington. I think he's a great football player. I'm not trying to take anything away from that.

It just seems "un BC like" to put him up on the Heisman voting. After all the shots taken at HSC guys who wanted to point out Ricca's accomplishments I think that is hypocritical. BC party line was something along the lines of "we don't care about individual accomplishment, only rings". It should have been "we only care about BCAC championship rings and individual accomplishments that recognize our guys."

Can't have it both ways. 

[wrighthall220]

cuaplayer,
So you have a problem with the BC Fans stats comparison for the Heisman voting but not for the Player of the Year comparisons?        To add a catch to your statements, I've been saying all along stats don't matter, I'm a BC fan, ex-player, and JD doubter (when it came to that debate), I for one wouldn't vote for Marcus for Heisman, I love the guy but I feel as Outsider does on this matter, it's trivial.  I'd rather see BC win the ODAC and a few playoff games.

[Bwana]

Just a small thing that I noticed in the discussion of playoff possibilities

The term "draught" is being used to refer to the longest time out of the D3 Playoffs.  In fact, the word you want is "drought".

A "draught" is a british word meaning a large serving of drink, a dose of medicine, and also as a variant on the word "draft"

A "drought" is a long dry spell.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

cuaplayer,
So you have a problem with the BC Fans stats comparison for the Heisman voting but not for the Player of the Year comparisons?        To add a catch to your statements, I've been saying all along stats don't matter, I'm a BC fan, ex-player, and JD doubter (when it came to that debate), I for one wouldn't vote for Marcus for Heisman, I love the guy but I feel as Outsider does on this matter, it's trivial.  I'd rather see BC win the ODAC and a few playoff games.

Why can't you (like me and other BC fans) want to see BC win the ODAC, a few playoff games, and vote for Marcus?  lol ... I didn't know we have to pick one or the other.

But it's your prerogative (isn't that in some Salt and Pepper song?!) if you want to "stand" for something and simply not vote for Marcus because he's not the best player out of the 44 candidates.

Whatever tickles your tonsils.  Doing this "campaign" for Marcus (and Pat doing it for Elliott) sure does tickle ours!

[wrighthall220]

Bwana-rama
We've got that spelling covered.. thanks to Tim and others..

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Kid,

Agree with everything you say about Washington. I think he's a great football player. I'm not trying to take anything away from that.

It just seems "un BC like" to put him up on the Heisman voting. After all the shots taken at HSC guys who wanted to point out Ricca's accomplishments I think that is hypocritical. BC party line was something along the lines of "we don't care about individual accomplishment, only rings". It should have been "we only care about BCAC championship rings and individual accomplishments that recognize our guys."

Can't have it both ways. 

Why not?  Our team and players are winning and putting up nice numbers.

[miz]

Kid,

I think that is hypocritical. BC party line was something along the lines of "we don't care about individual accomplishment, only rings". It should have been "we only care about BCAC championship rings and individual accomplishments that recognize our guys."

Can't have it both ways. 

Yes we can....because we win too.  Ricca didn't and never did.  That's the difference. 

[hasanova]

BC fans -

Why did the Eagles only have 9 official games this year?  I know GMU was a club team and I think Thomas More (?) was a late scratch.  What's up with that and what's your '06 schedule look like with McDaniel and other CC teams looking at more conference games and less out-of-conference play?  Maybe the Mary Baldwin Squirrel Girls have an open date.  lol  (only kidding - I hope you have a full ten game slate next year)

Bwana - that whole drought/draught think came up a few days ago, but some of our blog mates may be too busy downing a few draught pints at the local pub - or suffering in the heat from a real drought - to pay close attention.  Cheers!  

[miz]

So the Bookstore Bandit was headed to WVU???

Welcome back Casper!  The old "Coach Monty Bandwagon" has been quiet of late for some reason

How 'bout them Waspers!!!  

LOL

[Outsider14]

1. Who cares about others outside of d3? I sort of thought that was the entire point of D3. It is its own world, with higher standards, and is more "pure". Why are we seeking to be recognized by the casual football fan. The beauty of d3 is how "un-commercial" it is. d3 is about the experience and participating in something that noone who hasn't played at this level can understand. Isn't it sort of anti-D3 establishment to be heralded for individual accomplishments? Something says sell out about this how Elliot for heisman campaign. I hate this Elliot for heisman campaign. That being said I voted anyway to support what d3football.com is trying to do.

2. BC guys getting behind anyone as a heisman candidate is hypocritical. 3 weeks ago it was less about stats and more about how the team plays when comparing Lewis and Ricca. The BC guys, to a man, wanted nothing to do with stats.  Now that they're guy has the stats its all about him getting individual recognition. Something smells. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I thought BC was "above" that.

3. Outsider14,

I don't enough about this subject. Seem like you do. I was always of the opinion that alot of guys who end up in d3 could play on d1a teams and some of them could be stars in the right situation. Am I wrong?

1. i've never understood that stance. d3 players play for the love of the game, most of them. some because their parents want them to, some just as something to do. d2 players: same. dI-AA: same. dI-A: same. people can say its all about the money or the attention or the accolades all they want. it still comes down to having the desire, guts, and courage to put the pads on every day and know that you may well end up on crutches (or worse) w/in the next 4 hours... and still putting them on because you know its damn well worth it.

2. touche (minus appropriate accents)

3. its VERY different from level to level. yeah you will always have your exceptions (jermaine, davon, that moore running back from muc in 2001, transfers, guys that slipped between the cracks, overachievers...etc.), but overall there is a significant drop-off from I-A to I-AA and so on. when i came from w&m to bc, my first impression was wow this is different. then we played maryville and startup shenandoah.... REALLY different. even playoff caliber teams you can see the difference just in size, speed, build of the athletes... then you notice the difference in "explosion" in a player, agility, balance... then i got up here and watched a few practices. you can see why some players get I-A national attention, MAC attention/some A-10 attention, then down to ivy/patriot...etc. THEN the steelers stepped onto the practice field. geez. you can see how some people are all-americans in college and busts in the nfl. the little things can make HUGE impacts on the overall quality of the athlete....

there's my 3 cents. go iggles