FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[narch]

has "the system" invaded odac football, as well as odac hoops?  throwing the ball 73 times is just absurd...but it seems to be working for the quackers

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, what's the DIII record for total offensive yards by both teams?  GC/CUA had 1332, but I know there have been enough high-scoring games that this is probably not even close to the record.  Just wanted to know out of curiosity.

GC passing 606, net rushing 34 = 640 total yards
CUA passing 574, net rushing 118 = 692 total yards

Pretty close -- record is 1,395.

MOST YARDS GAINED, BOTH TEAMS
1,395—Occidental (753) & Claremont-M-S (642), Oct.
30, 1993 (136 plays)

[hasanova]

has "the system" invaded odac football, as well as odac hoops?  throwing the ball 73 times is just absurd...but it seems to be working for the quackers

narch - It does look like Grinnell's basketball "system," doesn't it?  lol  I would have to check Kiesel's past strategy to see if this is the way his teams have always played or if he's just taking advantage of the talent he has.  I didn't see this coming in the first 3 games, but it became obvious by the H-SC and Greensboro games.  By my unofficial count, redshirt freshman QB Vogelbach is 245 of 414 (59.2%) with 18 INTs and 33 passing TDs, a rushing TD, six 2-point passes and 3109 yards in 9 games, which is a large number of GC, ODAC and national DIII freshman records.  I expect more of the same next week at home versus E&H.  The Quakers can possibly finish 5-5, 4-2, which is a great improvement over last year's 1-9, 1-5.  Now, if we can just work on our defense!  Wait, if it's "the system," who cares?  lol

[wrighthall220]

algernon.

It must be nice to sit back and enjoy talking stats over the Thanksgiving dinner table... quality of wins.. ok you all can have that... 10 billion passing yards... I'll give you that one too... 5,000 points on a team that's given up 50 all year... sure you can have that if it makes you feel better... but again in the ODAC for 2005 its:

BC #1 for the 5th year in a row.. that's right.. 5 years in a row... all 5 of which HSC has failed to win any BIG ODAC games.. (you can have all the Centenial Conf. games you want.. it's the ODAC games we're talking about here)
 
W&L is #2 with a strong Defense  AND Offense a very well rounded team... something yet again HSC knows NOTHING about and then....

HSC #3 swallowing the HUGE bitter pill yet again of a statistical dream season that produces what?  NOTHING!  7-2 is nice.. 8-2 will be nice too.. but it's meaningless.. enjoy Thanksgiving... enjoy being around women again for a few days..enjoy all of the stats and numbers because in the end that's all you have.. I hope that doesn't keep you awake at night because there is always "NEXT YEAR"  Right?!?!?!  


*and keep taking shots at the Karma..   please HSC #2... I doubt it!*

-Just to keep you covered on all bases.. I graduated from BC and have a full time job that doesn't require a cash register or trash cans.. I work at a very good company.. so if you want to go there for a dig at BC.. I gotcha covered!

[hasanova]

Pat, what's the DIII record for total offensive yards by both teams?  GC/CUA had 1332, but I know there have been enough high-scoring games that this is probably not even close to the record.  Just wanted to know out of curiosity.

GC passing 606, net rushing 34 = 640 total yards
CUA passing 574, net rushing 118 = 692 total yards

Pretty close -- record is 1,395.

MOST YARDS GAINED, BOTH TEAMS
1,395—Occidental (753) & Claremont-M-S (642), Oct.
30, 1993 (136 plays)

Pat, thanks.  GC had 93 plays (6.9 yards/play) and CUA had 85 plays (8.1 yards/play), so 178 total offensive plays.  I guess CUA and GC have better defenses than Occidental and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.  lol

[wrighthall220]

algernon,

I also want to admit that yes during the first game of the season McDaniel was better than BC.  Nobody made excuses for that loss.. in fact it was earned.  However, you're probably looking at McDaniels current record, remember they lost 2 QBs after the first few weeks of the season... I bet HSC wouldn't be 7-2 without Ricca this year... I bet that record would be flipped to 2-7 had HSC used their 3rd string QB right?   Ok.. now again you're wrong with HSC being #2.. ya know 3rd has a nice look to it doesn't it?

[miz]

algernon,

I also want to admit that yes during the first game of the season McDaniel was better than BC.  Nobody made excuses for that loss.. in fact it was earned.  However, you're probably looking at McDaniels current record, remember they lost 2 QBs after the first few weeks of the season... I bet HSC wouldn't be 7-2 without Ricca this year... I bet that record would be flipped to 2-7 had HSC used their 3rd string QB right?   Ok.. now again you're wrong with HSC being #2.. ya know 3rd has a nice look to it doesn't it?

Doesn't matter...McDaniel is meaningless at this point, other than for playoff seedings.  Like you said before the only thing that matters is that:

HSC CAN'T BEAT BRIDGEWATER.  PERIOD. 

[miz]

I hope whoever is taking all my Karma is really getting off on it  

[mizzou_mafia]

I really didn't think this would even be a discussion this year.  At least not with one of these teams...But...

Who's the #2 team in the ODAC this year?

or better yet...

Rank these 3 ODAC teams, Best to Worst.

HSC: 3-2 in ODAC, RMC pending.
ODAC loses, BC by 7, W&L by 4
Key ODAC win: Guilford by 2

W&L: 4-2 in ODAC
ODAC loses, BC by 4, GC by 2
Key ODAC win: HSC by 4

GC: 3-2 ODAC, E&H pending
ODAC loses, BC by 16, HSC by 2
Key ODAC win: W&L by 2

[GCOL]

Thank you Miz.  Ive been reading since the BC W&L are the 2 best team posts and all I hear is how HSC and W&L are arguing over the # 2 spot.  BUT both seem to have forgotten that theres a reason the #2 spot is a tie.  We are also right there in the mix b/c of a great win over W&L and I can't believe everyone else is overlooking that.

[mizzou_mafia]

Having seen HSC, W&L, and GC this year, I'd rank them:

1a) W&L
1b) HSC
3) GC

Granted, I've only seen them in games against BC, but recently, that's been a pretty good measuring stick in the ODAC.  This season,  W&L was the only one of the three that showed any signs of having a functioning running game. They have a big play WR, and the defense played well against the run...something the other 2 teams did not do.  

Although GC has a lot of offensive weapons, they don't have a defense.  Period.  HSC's defense isn't memorable, but it can make stops.  Advantage, HSC.  

I haven't seen a lot of great defense in the ODAC this year.  I've seen a lot of big play WRs (No, for all the early season polls, I DO NOT think Awkard will...or should..make even 2nd team All-ODAC WR), and some very nice passes.  I don't think BC will see passing attacks this post-season any more electrifying than they've seen in the ODAC this season unless they make it to Linfield.  It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles hold up against a physical team that can run.

GCOL, I definitely think GC is on the ODAC's radar for next season.  It's hard for me to think of a team that gives up 39 points a game as the #2 squad yet.

[GCOL]

Thanks for some credit.  I do say we have some D they just arent always there.  Without them we would have never beaten W&L with 7 t/os and after being down 37-15 at half to HSC we would never have brought it back to within 2.  Anyway, we do have some work to do for next year, so we'll see where we end up then.

[hasanova]

I really didn't think this would even be a discussion this year.  At least not with one of these teams...But...

Who's the #2 team in the ODAC this year?

or better yet...

Rank these 3 ODAC teams, Best to Worst.

HSC: 3-2 in ODAC, RMC pending.
ODAC loses, BC by 7, W&L by 4
Key ODAC win: Guilford by 2

W&L: 4-2 in ODAC
ODAC loses, BC by 4, GC by 2
Key ODAC win: HSC by 4

GC: 3-2 ODAC, E&H pending
ODAC loses, BC by 16, HSC by 2
Key ODAC win: W&L by 2

Well, it may become more clear after next week when GC and H-SC complete their ODAC schedules (W&L is already in at 4-2).  All three have lost to BC and had a round-robin A over B, B over C and C over A among themselves.  Here are some other factors:  in the GC/W&L/H-SC games, GC played both at home, H-SC had one at home and one away and W&L played both on the road.  In their losses to BC, it looks like W&L and H-SC were at home while GC took on the Eagles at BC.  I think Guilford's overall record takes them out of the running for 2nd best this year, even though they may be the best 2nd half of the season team.  Despite the fact W&L may finish 7-3 and H-SC 8-2, I think I give a slight edge to the Generals with their victory over the Tigers at H-SC .... and I'm trying to be as objective as I possibly can.  

[mizzou_mafia]

Any thoughts from others?

It's hard for me to rank W&L ahead of HSC... with Jack Martin & Colton Ward, I think W&L could stay in any game with HSC...they might split 5-5 in 10 games.   I have to give the advantage to W&L because they DID win this year, even if it was a 29 yard TD pass on 4th down with 34 seconds to play.

That being said, I think this HSC team would give BC a tougher game more often than this W&L team.  Just my opinion, based on how these teams match up.  I don't think W&L would contain BC's Offense any better (or even as well) in 10 games than they did.  I don't think BC's D would contain HSC much better than they did.

As much as some of the BC folks have ripped Ricca this year for not being able to win the big game, he did more to keep his team in the game against BC than any other ODAC QB this year.

[GCOL]

Hasanova,
Did you go to the game?