FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[cnu85]

Has anyone started an investigation into what has happened to llamaguy? The current poster (an imposter, maybe?), actually makes  sense, has good points, and sounds intelligent! I like the original llamaguy who talked about orgelling!!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Washington is 2nd in scoring (13.7 ppg), 3rd in KOR (35.0 yards a return), and 21st in all-purpose yards.

Kid, my older brother led the Valley District in yards per catch his senior year.  HE WAS A BEAST!!!  

Now the rest of the story is that I think he only had 3 catches.  But hey, he was like, Number 1 in the land baby!  

The stats you're showing for Marcus aren't as distorted as my brother's stat was.  But in the debate for this award, you're clearly leaving out some of the more telling stats (like my bro only having a few catches) for Marcus, while pointing out any semblance of negative stats for Ricca.  Is Washington going to play more than 7 games this regular season?  Is he going to cross 700 yards rushing?  Where does his TOTAL rushing yards rank nationally?  His TOTAL anything?  If it's lower than Ricca's, you don't have to respond.

There is a reason the NCAA doesn't rank on TOTAL anything ... they realize schools play anywhere from eight to ten games (during the regular season) and they realize that some advance to post-season games.  Not to mention kids being injured (a la Washington) and not playing in all of their school's games.  Thus, TOTAL anything wouldn't be a good gauge of statistical player rankings.

[mizzou_mafia]

Ricca is ranked 1st in total offense with 377.5 yards per game and 9th in passing efficiency with a 170.0 rating.  And his 33 TDs (prior to this past weekend's game) was #1 in the nation.

Washington is 2nd in scoring (13.7 ppg), 3rd in KOR (35.0 yards a return), and 21st in all-purpose yards.

It's been all this Ricca/Washington talk so far...where's the Bublavi love?!

Bublavi is 2nd in the nation in all-purpose yards per game, a good 600+ yards ahead of #21 Washington.  He's 1st in Receiving yards per game, and 1st in Receptions per game In The Nation, compared to Washington being outside the top 35 listed in yards rushing per game.  He's got 13 TDs compared to Washington's 16 TDs, despite only touching the ball around 10 times a game.  

Now, talking about history, HSC WR Conrad Singh split the highest honor with a BC defensive player back in 2003, and his stats weren't as good as Bublavi's.  

[franknizy]

kid, washington has only played 7 games.  Is he even gonna play this week? (Why didnt he play last week) If not, he will mis 1/3rd of the ODAC season.  10 games vs 7, cmon.  By the way, those numbers on Lutz were awesome too, but he did have 12 ints that year with far less passing attempts  (how many fumbles did he have?) Anyways, I cant believe you chickened out on the bet.  Put your money where your post is!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Ricca is ranked 1st in total offense with 377.5 yards per game and 9th in passing efficiency with a 170.0 rating.  And his 33 TDs (prior to this past weekend's game) was #1 in the nation.

Washington is 2nd in scoring (13.7 ppg), 3rd in KOR (35.0 yards a return), and 21st in all-purpose yards.

It's been all this Ricca/Washington talk so far...where's the Bublavi love?!

Bublavi is 2nd in the nation in all-purpose yards per game, a good 400+ yards ahead of #21 Washington.  He's 1st in Receiving yards per game, and 1st in Receptions per game In The Nation, compared to Washington being outside the top 35 listed in yards rushing per game.  He's got 13 TDs compared to Washington's 16 TDs, despite only touching the ball around 10 times a game.  

Now, talking about history, HSC WR Conrad Singh split the highest honor with a BC defensive player back in 2003, and his stats weren't as good as Bublavi's.  

Well for one, Singh's Tigers went 9-1.  Bublavi's Cardinals won't finish at or above .500 (and on the field, have only won two games so far this season).  ((( I know, I know ... save yourself the "what, a POTY can't come from a bad team?" )))

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

kid, washington has only played 7 games.  Is he even gonna play this week? (Why didnt he play last week) If not, he will mis 1/3rd of the ODAC season.  10 games vs 7, cmon.  By the way, those numbers on Lutz were awesome too, but he did have 12 ints that year with far less passing attempts  (how many fumbles did he have?) Anyways, I cant believe you chickened out on the bet.  Put your money where your post is!

Umm, Ricca made 2nd Team All-ODAC last season with only six games.

Since when does being injured (and yes, he tweaked his ankle in the W&L game - and missed last week and will possibly miss this weekend too) have anything to do with how good you are or the season you had?

[pakownr97]

That BC defensive player was Jermaine Taylor.  And the only ODAC player I've ever seen that is as good as JT was Lutz.

I'll see Bublavi on Saturday and let you know.

I'm sure you can't wait to hear my opinion.

[franknizy]

thats because there was not another qb in the conference worth a #$%^

[mizzou_mafia]

Kid,

It looks like Bublavi is going to win the WR poll.  How about an Offensive Player of the Year poll?  Bublavi (top voted WR), Ricca (top QB), Washington (top RB).  It'd be nice if people could rank them 1, 2, 3, and split up the points just like the real ballot, but I'd be interested in seeing how the Number 1 votes would turn out.

To make it interesting, since this is a highly BC board, you could put Ricca/Bublavi as one vote, and Washington as the other.  

[mizzou_mafia]

That BC defensive player was Jermaine Taylor.  And the only ODAC player I've ever seen that is as good as JT was Lutz.

I'll see Bublavi on Saturday and let you know.

I'm sure you can't wait to hear my opinion.

I'm looking forward to seeing Bublavi too!  Yes JT was a beast!  Did you realize that BC national champion runner-up squad had THREE players on it that won the ODAC's 100m dash?  (JT, Richardson, Cruz)

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

History is on my side though ... in 1999, R-MC's QB (Brian Partlow) set a record with 3,433 passing yards and 27 TDs.  But he had 19 interceptions.  And he was also a one-dimensional QB like Ricca (Partlow had 59 rushes for -33 yards).

Did he get the award?  No.  A running back did (Andrew Notarfrancesco from CUA).

And Notarfrancesco's CUA team went 5-0 in the ODAC in 1999.  Partlow's R-MC team went 4-2 that year.  Washington's BC team will likely finish 6-0.  Ricca's team will likely finish 4-2.

Notarfrancesco averaged 5.5 yards a carry and 23 total TDs (19 rushing, 4 receiving) in a very balanced CUA offensive attack much like Bridgewater's.  Notarfrancesco didn't have a Young behind him, so he averaged a little more healthy 127 rushing ypg total compared to Washington's 93.4.

So it looks/sounds like all Washington is missing is 20 or 30 more rushing yards and a couple games back from injury.

[hasanova]

llamaguy said, "Don't be too quick to compare Vogelbach's numbers b'cus he has 34 TDs on only 65 more attempts. He could over take Ricca this weekend for all we know."

Actually, one of GC's 34 TD passes came from Micah Rushing versus CUA, so Vogelbach "only" has 33.  True, Vogelbach could pass J.D. Ricca this weekend, but I concede that Ricca will win the statistical battle among ODAC QB's.  Ricca has more yards, a better completion percentage, 4 more TD's and 5 fewer INTs.  Those are big deficits to overcome with only 1 game to go.  Granted, Vogelbach has had a GREAT season for a freshman, but I see him as FOY and Ricca as 1st team ODAC and, possibly, POY.

[hasanova]

miz also said, "to make it interesting, since this is a highly BC board"

It is?  Gee, I hadn't noticed.  lol

[franknizy]

partlows rmc team went 5-5 that year.  Hsc is 8-2. big difference

[miz]

JD had the best year a QB has ever had in this conference.

2001 lutz rushed for 1094 yards (6.2/carry, 73.5/game) and 16 TDs... passed for 2497 yds, 29 TDs (12 INTs) w/ 172.5 efficiency... and went to the national championship... i'd say that's a better year for a QB in this conference

Lutz won games.  Trinity game Stagg Bowl year he missed his first 10 or so passes but came back to run for over 100 yards, throw for over 200, and fire the game-winning TD pass with 30-some seconds left in the game to out-duel Roy Hampton (by far the best pure-passing quarterback I've seen in D-3).

And again, this was in the playoffs.  Something HSC knows nothing about.

And Franknizi, here's why Marcus Washington didn't play Saturday:

1. He's a little banged up.
2. BC has 3 absolute studs at tailback and a frosh that will be.
3. It is more important to BC (and I'm sure to Washington too) to have all pieces in order come playoff time than to pad the stats agains Randolph-Macon.

If he doesn't get player of the year for that, so be it.  At Bridgewater there are much bigger goals than any ODAC awards.