FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

enzoneking said, "But if i had to vote for a MVP in the league besides Marcus, i would vote for The Freshman QB at Guilford because he is better than J.D. Ricca, Tweardy, and both CUA QB's because he is playing with less talent than Ricca, Tweardy and the QB's at Cathiolic."

GC QB Vogelbach is an awfully good player, but Barnette, Joyner, Vaughn, Rushing, the O-line and others at GC might disagree with you on the "less talent" observation.  Overall, I agree that GC is not as strong or as deep top to bottom as some ODAC teams and that may be what you meant, but when the Quaker offense takes the field - watch out!

[enzoneking6]

I think Marcus should get it because he has shredded every ODAC team except for W&L. And since BC is the only Run first team in the ODAC. Teams this year have been putting 9 in the box to stop the run. Catching the ball is great, but do you think that Bublvadi or Ricca can have a 3 touchdown rushing game or a 150 yards rushing in a game?

Yep, Marcus has been pretty sweet!  But let's not exaggerate too much.  He didn't shread (or play against) RMC, and he hasn't rushed for 150 yards a game this season.

You need to read a little better before you post ... I said 3 touchdowns or 150 yards IN A GAME i did not say 150 yards a game. And we all know that he didn't put on pads for the RMC game so  I apologize... and I mean every team except for W&L and RMC.. Now are you happy

j/k


Also don't forget that he splits time in the backfield so he would probably average more than 150 yards per game if he was in a one back system.

Don't ya think?

[hasanova]

muchacho said "but if I had to take a whole receiving corp, I would choose Guilford's. When they go to an empty formation, each of Guilford's guys is capable of making a big play."

Absolutely!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...]
Just wondering...how did you select Liam Murray for your choice?

• I think W&L has the best defense in the league
• Like Lawrence Frierson last year, doesn't have the "wow" stats, but is the leader on that team
• He was a 1st teamer last year

Pretty simple choice for me.  But shoot, I picked him like I did Washington ... who I thought was the best player in the league on that side of the ball.  Obviously stats for either aren't as wow as a Ricca, Bublavi, Marshburn, or Stutz.  From what I've seen (all teams but CUA - and I saw them last year, twice (vs McD and BC)), I think Washington and Murray are the two best.

Just a 'kids' opinion.

[Pat Coleman]

Of course someone will have more gaudy stats when they touch the ball every time it's snapped.

Similarly, someone will turn the ball over more when they touch the ball on every play as well.

[yellow jacket]

Just a thought here...I think Marcus Washington is the best player.  Not only does he have the statistics, which confuse me, all the coaches in the league (defense, special teams) have plays designed to keep the ball away from him.  I've never really seen so much focus on one player.  This is not taking anything away from any other skill athletes in the ODAC, because there are some damn good ones on every team.

Although Marcus may never have been a true D1 player, he is a phenomenal athlete at this level.

[muchacho]

Muchacho, I think that's the first time I've heard that on this board this season, and I think you may be on the money with it.  Martin impressed me, and so did Ward.  I'd offer Smith and Rolander at HSC though too.  Rolander has a knack for the big play, and Smith has to be put in the same crowd as Martin and Barnette.

I think Martin and Ward play off each other very well. Martin is a great threat to catch balls downfield and over the middle. When teams start using deep coverage to stop Martin, Ward is very good with screens, flat routes, and drags. He does an excellent job of getting the ball and getting upfield quickly.
With HSC's guys, I think Rolander is a decent big play receiver, but not great. He won't give you as solid numbers every game like other receivers I've seen this year. Smith is very good and is definitely one of the top 4 receivers in the conference. I think Smith and Rolander benefit from the play of their backs, while Catholic and Guilford's receivers are pretty much doing it on their own.

[enzoneking6]

enzoneking said, "But if i had to vote for a MVP in the league besides Marcus, i would vote for The Freshman QB at Guilford because he is better than J.D. Ricca, Tweardy, and both CUA QB's because he is playing with less talent than Ricca, Tweardy and the QB's at Cathiolic."

GC QB Vogelbach is an awfully good player, but Barnette, Joyner, Vaughn, Rushing, the O-line and others at GC might disagree with you on the "less talent" observation.  Overall, I agree that GC is not as strong or as deep top to bottom as some ODAC teams and that may be what you meant, but when the Quaker offense takes the field - watch out!

Well to me, the QB is playing with less talent because i played every offense this year except Catholic and it seem that Guilford is not as deep as other teams with playmakers.. Barnette, Rushing are playmakers, maybe Joyner sometimes but after that ? But you are right, the Guilford QB is real good, he would be my starter on my fantasy team.

[muchacho]

I think W&L has the best defense in the league
I agree. However it is more of a result of their team effort. W&L had the best collection of 11 players, but Murray's individual play this year didn't stand out to me as being a POY candidate.

Like Lawrence Frierson last year, doesn't have the "wow" stats, but is the leader on that team
I guess this is a philisophical choice. Do you give offensive player of the year and defensive player of the year to the most important player on the #1 O and #1 D, or do you try to find the best player who might not be on the best team.

He was a 1st teamer last year.
Don't know why that should effect this year's selection.

I assume you are at the game this weekend, and lets see what you think of Stutz after Saturday.

[mizzou_mafia]

I think Marcus should get it because he has shredded every ODAC team except for W&L. And since BC is the only Run first team in the ODAC. Teams this year have been putting 9 in the box to stop the run. Catching the ball is great, but do you think that Bublvadi or Ricca can have a 3 touchdown rushing game or a 150 yards rushing in a game?

Yep, Marcus has been pretty sweet!  But let's not exaggerate too much.  He didn't shread (or play against) RMC, and he hasn't rushed for 150 yards a game this season.

You need to read a little better before you post ... I said 3 touchdowns or 150 yards IN A GAME i did not say 150 yards a game. And we all know that he didn't put on pads for the RMC game so  I apologize... and I mean every team except for W&L and RMC.. Now are you happy.

Also don't forget that he splits time in the backfield so he would probably average more than 150 yards per game if he was in a one back system.

Don't ya think?

Arg,  I don't need to read better, I just need to WRITE better!  What I meant to say is that Marcus Washington has not run for 150 yards in ANY SINGLE GAME this season.  I left out the word "in" above.  Sorry for my misleading typo.  

As long as Washington wouldn't get injured (and we all know he comes up limping about 2 times a game), yes, I agree with you!  I think he would get 150 a game if it was a one back system.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Wow ... you Guilford fans (I'm assuming muchacho and hasanova are Quakers) are more blinded by stats than I am!  

Yikes, I'd put the GC receivers (as a whole) fourth!

(1) H-SC --> Smith, Rolander, Simpson, & Dull
(2) W&L --> Martin, Ward, Sitterson, & Neff
(3) BC --> Awkard, Warring, Copeland, & Hulsebus
(4) GC --> Barnette, Rushing, Joyner, & Vaughn

And the only reason I'm putting BC third (and not first) is because the Eagles pass the ball 27 times a game.  That's 10 times less a game than W&L (37), 12 times less a game than H-SC (39), and 19 times less a game than Guilford (46).

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I think W&L has the best defense in the league
I agree. However it is more of a result of their team effort. W&L had the best collection of 11 players, but Murray's individual play this year didn't stand out to me as being a POY candidate.

Last year, it was also a team effort by Bridgewater.  The coaches & SIDs felt Frierson was the leader of that team effort.

Like Lawrence Frierson last year, doesn't have the "wow" stats, but is the leader on that team
I guess this is a philisophical choice. Do you give offensive player of the year and defensive player of the year to the most important player on the #1 O and #1 D, or do you try to find the best player who might not be on the best team.

Statistically, Hampden-Sydney has the best offense in the conference.  #1 in scoring offense (44.4 ppg) and #1 in total offense (534.8 ypg).  And they've done that w/ a tougher non-conference schedule than Bridgewater had.

He was a 1st teamer last year.
Don't know why that should effect this year's selection.

Unless he's worse than he was last year, then because he was a 1st teamer last year is probably a good indication of his ability.  His stats (per game) are about what they were last year at this time.  And like I said, I've seen six of the seven ODAC defenses this year, and he impressed me (along with Doss, Inman, and Marshburn) the most.

Why can't I have this opinion?  lol ... I'm sorry it doesn't agree with yours.  I just honestly don't remember Stutz last year (and again, I saw him play twice).

Which leads me to...

I assume you are at the game this weekend, and lets see what you think of Stutz after Saturday.

Yes, I'll be there.  And yes, I'll give my honest opinion of him after I see him play (for the third time).

[mizzou_mafia]

And the only reason I'm putting BC third (and not first) is because the Eagles pass the ball 27 times a game.  That's 10 times less a game than W&L (37), 12 times less a game than H-SC (39), and 19 times less a game than Guilford (46).

Does that mean you think BC's WRs are better than the crews with the top 3 statistical WRs in the Nation (and 4 of the top 9), but you're ranking them lower only because BC doesn't take advantage of its WR's ability by passing it to them?

[Pat Coleman]

Like Bublavi, Stutz didn't play last year. You'd have to remember him from the year before.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

And the only reason I'm putting BC third (and not first) is because the Eagles pass the ball 27 times a game.  That's 10 times less a game than W&L (37), 12 times less a game than H-SC (39), and 19 times less a game than Guilford (46).

Does that mean you think BC's WRs are better than the crews with the top 3 statistical WRs in the Nation (and 4 of the top 9), but you're ranking them lower only because BC doesn't take advantage of its WR's ability by passing it to them?

Yes.  What I see on the practice field (almost daily) of the BC receivers doesn't translate into actual games.  But the H-SC and W&L WRs do produce in games and put up the impressive stats in large part because they are thrown to more.  Again, doesn't take away from how good they are (I think Bublavi, Martin, and Smith are three of the top receivers in the ODAC), but when looking at a team's top four receivers?  Bridgewater has the most talented.  <--- opinion ... not fact.