FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[miz]

Nobody from HSC has addressed the fact that Ricca has not come through in his only shots against good teams.  Again, 1 TD and 5 INT's.  Somebody address that. 

Kim R., we from Bridgewater are certainly aware of how BC has done in the playoffs without needing any reminders (7-5 over the past 5 yrs. including two nat'l semi's and one Stagg Bowl appearance to be exact).  Now tell me, what exactly does someone from HSC have to tell Bridgewater about the playoffs?  Please, give us tips and advise derived from all the Tiger's playoff experience.  Tell me, how does JD prepare the day of a road playoff game?  Tell me?  (Hey, I guess you could look on the bright side............you are home for Thanksgiving every year!  YEAH!!!) 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Kim R., [...] Please, give us tips and advise derived from all the Tiger's playoff experience. [...]

Well miz, back in 1977, the Tigers...

[mizzou_mafia]

I can't vote for Marcus Washington as the best player in the ODAC yet.  It'd be like picking Warrick Dunn, Jerome Bettis or a Broncos starting running back as the NFL MVP last year...all of them could put up big numbers, but all of them, at least to a degree, were replaceable with only a degree of drop-off in team performance.  

Since Kid likes to point out Washington's versatility, then I'll compare him to Brian Westbrook.  No one doubts that he's talented, but just because you're versatile, doesn't make you MVP.  The Philadelphia Eagles have used other RBs/Kick Returners other than Westbrook, and had a high level of success doing so...similar to the Bridgewater Eagles.  To a degree, the success is a product of the system.  Yes Washington has talent.  Yes Westbrook has talent.  Would I trade Peyton Manning for them?  Should we take away Manning's MVP because he always loses to the Patriots?  No. Should we disqualify Ricca as MVP because he has always lost to the Eagles? No.

The bottom line is, screens or deep balls, wins or losses, Ricca is much more valuable to his team than Washington is to his.  Furthermore, Ricca is an offensive machine.  If you want to talk about production, don't even compare Ricca to Washington.  Compare Ricca to ALL of BC's running backs in a single game, and Ricca still comes out on top. It isn't just the system either for Ricca.  HSC's offensive production was way down after he was injured last year.

Just so the numbers on Ricca are out there...

At the time of his injury last year, Ricca had completed 107-of-174 (61.5%) passes for 1,755 yards and 18 touchdowns, compared to just four interceptions.  Ricca ranked fourth in NCAA Division III with a 175.9 efficiency rating, while his 290 yards of total offense-per-game ranked him 13th nationally.

[miz]

"hug scrathes head, wonders if miz should have said that,  ultimately doesn't really care"

Well, if HSC really need to go to a message board to get their motivation....

Kim R. (wonder what the 'R' stands for...) if you're printing these posts to hang up in say, a locker room, post patterns always look better in the "landscape" format.  LOL.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Mizzou -

But you also have to admit that whom you play should be a factor.  Not comparing Washington and Ricca, but looking at JD alone, like others have mentioned, against who has he racked these great numbers up?

And you better believe I include whether or not the player is a "winner" when looking at "who is best."  You seem to be looking at straight numbers, which is fine.  Most people do.

And I don't even know I agree with your statement of "Ricca is much more valuable to his team than Washington is to his."  Like mentioned previously, in our two losses to CNU, Washington was injured for a game and a half.  Sure, we don't know what he could or would have contributed had he been there, but it at least has to be considered.

Against the best competition (where he wasn't injured), this is what Marcus did last year:

McDaniel, 2004: 10 rushes, 79 rushing yards, 1 TD
'Sydney, 2004: 13 rushes, 72 rushing yards, 1 TD
W&J, 2004: 9-yard receiving touchdown, 97-yard kickoff return for a TD

Not "great," but I'd say comparably better than Ricca versus legit top 25 competition.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] Kim R. (wonder what the 'R' stands for...) [...]

By the looks of her e-mail address, it stands for Ross (not Ricca, if that's where you were going with that statement)

[mizzou_mafia]

I hear yah, Kid.  I do look at wins and losses though, otherwise I'd throw Woods into the conversations.  I just wouldn't DQ Ricca from consideration because HSC hasn't beaten BC yet, just like Manning wasn't DQed for not beating the Patriots yet. 

I'll definitely agree that HSC has played a cupcake rich schedule, particularly to start the season.  It would have been nice to see how Ricca would have done against JHU last year...hopefully we'll get to see that this year.

I'd still say Ricca is more valuable than Washington to his team.   Despite Ricca's 'numbers' against BC last year, he led them to 28pts against the Eagles.  Without Ricca, HSC scored in the teens against Dickinson and JHU, 2 non-playoff teams last year.  Big difference.

[miz]

[...] Kim R. (wonder what the 'R' stands for...) [...]

By the looks of her e-mail address, it stands for Ross (not Ricca, if that's where you were going with that statement)

You mean you don't think Ross is a "code name" for Ricca?   

My bad on the assumption Kim Ross, whoever you are. 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] I'd still say Ricca is more valuable than Washington to his team.   Despite Ricca's 'numbers' against BC last year, he led them to 28pts against the Eagles.  Without Ricca, HSC scored in the teens against Dickinson and JHU, 2 non-playoff teams last year.  Big difference.

Ehh, I don't know.  Dickinson (6-4) and Hopkins (9-2) are more known for their defense ... with the Devils giving up only 14.6 a game last season, while the Jays allowed 15.0.

[Llamaguy]

 Feel free to correct me if I am wrong in this, but I do believe that we started this conversation by me admiting that I was wrong in one of those freely stated oppinons.

RM,
Amen Brotha!

My only point is that when 99.9999% of the snide comments come out of a Stone Stationer's mouth, IT IS A JOKE AND NOT A SERIOUS STATEMENT. Alot of times your opinions come across as serious and I don't think you realize we are just having fun on here. You are a good kid and the more posters here the better. As Skoal said previously you are still ok by us and welcome at  Stone Station. Just lighten up when us elders "bust your balz", we are just a bunch of greying (well not me,lol) heads having a little fun like we did when we were at BC.

On another note,
It must be football season as the ODAC board is scrolling hourly, PRICELESS!
Welcome other ODAC'ers, its been a BC dominated board for a few years now, the new blood is great. POST ON!

[mizzou_mafia]

miz,

I think K Ross is just a friend of the family, considering the email address is from J.D. Ricca's high school alma matta, and there is a Ross and a Ricca teaching at the school.  

[Llamaguy]

miz,

I think K Ross is just a friend of the family, considering the email address is from J.D. Ricca's high school alma matta, and there is a Ross and a Ricca teaching at the school.  

Who said BC didn't have posters with FBI capability!
Dam good detective work Mizzou.

[EHCTailgate]

While you all are B.S ing about who the better one is, I'm sitting back, popping the top on a cold one and will be patient to see who proves their worth on the field this year. Past statistics don't mean crap unless a player can reproduce and improve upon them from the previous year.

[wrighthall220]

..and who would no better than a team trying to improve upon past success and future success than a 4-6 team.  Right EHCTailgater?  Welcome to the ODAC board where the BS is tossed around daily.. do try to remember that the past does count to some degree when we're comparing 2 players that have played on a high level the past 2 years AND will play this year.  The conversation is relevant.. comparing Ricca to say a Jason Lutz.. ok that may be BS!     

*Feel free to drink away.. it could be another long season.. you may want to go into a druken stupor until 2006!    *  Kidding of course

[miz]

Past statistics don't mean crap

OK, right.  This coming from an Emory and Henry poster and all you guys ever want to talk about is the past.  Sorry pal.  And your ODAC championship from 1982 or whatever "don't mean crap" either.  LOL