FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[abnrgr]

Muchacho
I believe in the day (70-80's) 55 players was a travel squad short of a big game or a bowl game. That's why it was so big for FR and SOPH to make the "travel squad"

[Trenches]

GC has been playing real well lately. The whole team has come together real strong.

I have to commend Guilford on the special teams play that has picked up the past couple of weeks. I noticed that they took the TE #80 off on offense and have now put him on special teams. Against CU he had 3 tackles and a forced fumble on kickoff!!

OK ... either your Ryan Webber's father or Ryan Webber himfelf.  A little obvious (your email address doesn't help matters).

But yes, kudos to your son (or you) on your three tackles and forced fumble!

hahahaha... i was trying not to call him out because that was pretty bad. thank you for saying something. it was hard to hold it. 

[Trenches]

Anyway, noticed and figured I'd share a few highlights. Isn't it about time for blood to be shed as we argue over the final All-ODAC spots??

With all due respect to Trenches, I still contend a lot has to do with Guilford's system.

1) Jeff Highfill's statline reads 185 attempts, 14 TDs, 5 INTs. Thus a TD every 13.2 times he throws it and a INT every 37. You put Highfill in the Guilford system and I believe you have comparable numbers.

2) BC's receiver's are as talented as Guilford's, they just don't get the ball due to the fact that we have a balanced run to pass game. Brandon Copeland is currently the third leading ODAC receiver in total yards and TD's behind only Barnett from Guilford. He would compete with Barnett for top reciever if he was thrown to 10-15 times per game.

Good numbers for Guilford though. I just think the spread offense tends to inflate the numbers toward the passing game, ie. the QB and WR's.

I agree with you. We have some great offensive players throughout the ODAC. I haven't looked at the rest of the teams cumulative stats. Like i said, I just looked at their stats and wanted to put some things out there that caught my eye. I didn't intend to make it a comparitive statment other then the little statement at the bottom.  Sorry if it came out that way.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Isn't it about time for blood to be shed as we argue over the final All-ODAC spots??

I'll get things started with the 1st and 2nd team quarterback debate...

The numbers:

Name	School	Class	GP-GS	Record*	Pass Eff.	Pass %	YPG	TD-INT	Rushing Stats
Braner	R-MC	FR	9-4	0-4	77.10	45.8	72.8	0-5	42 Att, 127 Yds, 0 TDs
Highfill	BC	JR	9-9	7-2	151.72	59.5	177.9	14-5	74 Att, 311 Yds, 9 TDs
Ricca	CUA	SO	9-9	3-6	104.31	50.0	216.7	13-17	42 Att, -96 Yds, 1 TD
Varner	W&L	FR	6-5	4-1	146.24	60.0	143.2	8-4	46 Att., 9 Yds, 0 TDs
Vogelbach	GC	SO	9-9	6-3	119.81	57.0	344.0	30-24	65 Att, 90 Yds, 3 TDs
Warnement	H-SC	FR	9-7	3-4	101.88	51.6	119.3	8-10	29 Att, -5 Yds, 0 TDs
Woods	E&H	SR	9-9	5-4	119.44	52.1	160.6	15-6	34 Att, -54 Yds, 1 TD

Just looking at the numbers, I'd say Vogelbach and Highfill are in the lead for All-ODAC honors.  Woods was in the mix before his three-interception day against W&L.  IMO, another loss to Guilford this coming weekend would only further solidify Vogelbach and Highfill being All-ODAC.

*record as the starter

[Trenches]

Kid,
   I'll agree with you. Varner has some numbers in record and pass eff, but the rest of the stats drop him off some.
   I find it interesting to see Woods' Pass eff is almost exactly the same as vogelbachs. The number of attempts is obviously the big difference there (makes the big change in the stats).
   I think it comes down to... Vogelbach's big numbers vs. Highfills's eff. Should be great to see it plays out.
   

[wrighthall220]

Ricca   CUA   SO   9-9   3-6   104.31   50.0   216.7   13-17   42 Att, -96 Yds, 1 TD

  -96 Yds!?!?!  I had a better YPC in highschool.. I had 5 fumble recoveries playing OT and I only had a +3 average!      -96 is crazy!   Here's hoping BC can make that -120 or so by the end of the game Saturday! 

[muchacho]

-96 Yds!?!?!  I had a better YPC in highschool.. I had 5 fumble recoveries playing OT and I only had a +3 average!      -96 is crazy!   Here's hoping BC can make that -120 or so by the end of the game Saturday! 

Ricca will be a much better QB when he learns to throw the ball away. His negative rushing yards and # of INTs are a direct result of his decision making. Although he makes a lot of plays with his style of play, it can also result in some huge mistakes.

Vogelbach is my first team, and Highfill is second. Varner would get some consideration if he had a few more games under his belt. Woods is worthy of second team, and I wouldn't disagree if he was given that spot.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Vogelbach is my first team, and Highfill is second. Varner would get some consideration if he had a few more games under his belt. Woods is worthy of second team, and I wouldn't disagree if he was given that spot.

I'm torn on Vogelbach.  Yes, his numbers are mind-boggling.  With an "ehh" defense, he has helped lead his team to a 6-3 record (albeit with great receivers).  But his interception every 20 passes is concerning.  And if you still think that's OK, consider this: Vogelbach has committed one more turnover himself than BC and E&H combined.  Another way to look at it...

Turnovers, School/Player
25, Catholic
24, Vogelbach
19, Hampden-Sydney
15, Randolph-Macon
14, Washington & Lee
12, Emory & Henry
11, Bridgewater

I know you'll think "well, Vogelbach is Guilford's offense" ... well, I'd contend that many of his passes are short outs to his WRs, and his WRs make up most of the yardage with YAC.

Having said that, I still think the ODAC coaches (and SIDs) will vote Vogelbach 1st team.

As far as 2nd team, Highfill should get the nod because of his 311 rushing yards and 9 rushing touchdowns (tops in the conference).  His 4.2 yards per carry is impressive considering he has been sacked 15 times.  So combine his passing efficiency (tops in the conference) with his ability to beat you on the ground, that's Lutz-like stuff.

[Llamaguy]

Here is my take, through my BC red colored glasses.

Vogelbach will be the first team QB for two reasons, 1) over 3000 yrds passing, and 2) 30 TDs.

Jeff Highfill has a better effic. rating, better interception to attempt ratio, better TD per attempt ratio, but only 14 passing TDs. Whoever decides will not look at Highfill's 9 rushing TDs and will simply pick Vogelbach. Add those TDs together for a total of 23 TDs on the season and that 30 Vogelbach has put up through the air is not so daunting.

[hasanova]

Note: Vogelbach has 3 TDs rushing, so he has 33 total.

Vogelbach's 58-yard TD to Hughes on Saturday was a perfectly thrown 48 yards or so in the air and then about 10 YAC.  He had another 45-50 yard strike for a TD where he hit the receiver in stride at about the 5 yard line (holding brought it back, however).  The point I'm trying to make is he can do either passing style, but I will accept kid's observation that many of his attempts are shorter passes to the receivers designed to see what YAC they can add.  If Vogelbach has another error-free (or almost error-free) day at E&H, especially if the Quakers win, I think he'll be the first team QB.  He already has the most completions in an ODAC season after only 9 games and, barring an injury, will surely get the 13 more attempts he needs to also set a new ODAC single-season record.  Depending on their game plan and time of possession, that record might fall by the end of the first quarter next week.

My only knock on him is the interception total, but I saw a BIG improvement against CUA.  I know that's obvious because he had zero versus 5 the week before and 24 for the season, but he has begun throwing it out of bounds instead of trying to force it into coverage or taking a sack for a loss.  To me, he looked very poised against CUA.   If Guilford finishes 7-3, 4-2 and he has a couple of more TDs with no more interceptions, it'll be hard not to make him first team.  Just one man's opinion.

[skoaltrain]

I want to know what ODAC School is getting the 1st Team ODAC Tailgating award?

I should know this as I'm one of the voters and our awards will be forthcoming.

Stagg Bowl 2005

[Llamaguy]

I absolutely agree Hasanova. I am not saying that Vogelbach doesn't deserve to be the pick, just that if you look at the total package its a tough call.

As for setting those records, it takes two things to make those things happen. Number one, it takes a great QB which Vogelbach is and number two it takes a system that allows the QB to throw for 60+ attempts per game. Put Vogelbach in the BC system and you would see the wins, just not those huge numbers.

[hasanova]

I want to know what ODAC School is getting the 1st Team ODAC Tailgating award?

I should know this as I'm one of the voters and our awards will be forthcoming.

Stagg Bowl 2005

BC gets my vote!  (do I have one?) lol

[hasanova]

I absolutely agree Hasanova. I am not saying that Vogelbach doesn't deserve to be the pick, just that if you look at the total package its a tough call.

As for setting those records, it takes two things to make those things happen. Number one, it takes a great QB which Vogelbach is and number two it takes a system that allows the QB to throw for 60+ attempts per game. Put Vogelbach in the BC system and you would see the wins, just not those huge numbers.

I agree, Llamaguy.  In defense of Guilford'S coaches, however, this has been the strategy they needed to employ to go from seven straight losing seasons (with 1-9 in 2004) to 5-5 in 2005 and either 6-4 or, hopefully, 7-3 in 2006.  As odd as it may seem, there's been more 2006 offensive balance than there was in 2005 and maybe there'll be even more in 2007.  At least this year, the Defense has also been stronger.  There have been a couple of games in 2006 where the Quakers could be "off" offensively and they still won.  That wasn't true in 2005.  Considering where we were, I like where we are right now.    Depending on who GC recruits next spring, I think you're going to see a playoff-caliber team with 8 or more wins each of the next two years.

[abnrgr]

Hasa From my experience the tail gate goes to feathers....as usual

LLama- I agree with your assessment of Vogie but a QB like him will not keep throwing pics unless he is allowed the room to throw anytime he wants.

The staff must just know in the back of their minds they will get the score back back if it goes the other way.

The coach has to step in sometime and it looks like Kesel did not. He was throwing like he had a big time defense behind him.

If he was any school with a big time D he would have even better stats.

But W's is what we all want huh