FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[miz]

... On one hand, we lost to two teams we shouldn't have lost to...

miz - ?  I respectfully disagree.  I can't intelligently discuss what happened on Oct. 21, but Oct. 14 was a nice sunny day.  No key players were hurt and out of the line-up.  You were playing a good team with a winning record.  You didn't fumble multiple times on the 1-yard line.  It was 17-0 and 24-7 in the first half.  I was there.       

You guys deserved to win that day, no arguement here.  It is my opinion that BC is a better team and would (or should) beat Guilford on any given Saturday.  The fact that we didn't is a credit to Guilford for out-preparing, out-coaching, and out-playing Bridgewater on that day.  That said, I stand by my previous assertion that IMO we should not have lost that game..........but that is not to say you guys didn't deserve to win, because you did (deserve it). 

(SHAMELESS DIG):

And not to bring up old sh*t, but of course we can also speculate what might have happened had both schools complied with NCAA eligibility requirements

[Snakehandler]

(SHAMELESS DIG):

And not to bring up old sh*t, but of course we can also speculate what might have happened had both schools complied with NCAA eligibility requirements

Did I miss something? Was there a problem with NCAA eligibility in the BC/Guilford game?

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

NCAA allows Guilford football team to keep three victories

News-Record / Greensboro, NC - Thursday, November 9, 2006

GREENSBORO -- The NCAA will not change the outcome of three Guilford College football victories this season in which the Quakers used an ineligible player, school officials said Wednesday.

The NCAA notified Guilford Athletics Director Marion Kirby and ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston of the ruling in a letter dated Nov. 3.

Guilford (3-2 ODAC, 6-3 overall) plays its regular-season finale Saturday at Emory & Henry.

Bankston alerted Guilford officials in October that there were questions about the eligibility of a Quakers football player. The Roanoke (Va.) Times identified the player as defensive back Dion Rich of Bassett, Va., who played in victories over Ferrum, Greensboro College and Bridgewater.

The player reportedly transferred to Guilford without notifying Quakers officials he had attended and played for Emory & Henry in 2005 and was academically ineligible when he left the Virginia school. After conducting its own investigation, Guilford determined he was not eligible and informed the league and NCAA of the infraction. After reviewing Guilford's report, the ODAC and the NCAA decided not to penalize the school.

"It was determined that the case should be classified as secondary and that no further action should be taken by the NCAA in the matter," wrote Christopher S. Strobel, NCAA Director of Enforcement for Secondary Infractions. "... all of the evidence discovered in this case indicated that Guilford did not know, and should not have known, of (the student-athlete's) previous attendance at another institution."

The NCAA could have awarded forfeit victories to Greensboro and the other two teams affected, or it could have left their records intact but stripped Guilford of the wins.

The ruling gives the ODAC title and the league's automatic NCAA Division III playoff berth to Washington & Lee (5-1, 7-2). If the NCAA had awarded Bridgewater (3-2, 7-2) a forfeit, the Eagles could have tied for the title and would have received the NCAA bid because they defeated W&L.

[Llamaguy]

Sorry OLINEMOM. I told everyone last week we wouldn't be setting up a regular tailgate at Catholic, space is of a premium in DC. There may be a small set-up somewhere, if a spot can be obtained but no guarantees.

I would contend that if the BC Coaches had a chance for a do over, they would have played an open playbook rather than the basic one used against Emory & Henry. An Emory & Henry team that has the worst pass defense in the league, that is unless RMC took over that with its inability to cover B. Cope last weekend.

[WLU78]

The ruling gives the ODAC title and the league's automatic NCAA Division III playoff berth to Washington & Lee (5-1, 7-2). If the NCAA had awarded Bridgewater (3-2, 7-2) a forfeit, the Eagles could have tied for the title and would have received the NCAA bid because they defeated W&L.

So Kid, that means your game vs. CU this Sat doesn't count in ODAC standings?

[hasanova]

BC guys - I can see Dion Rich is like radioactive material.  His half life will be about a million years.  I can see it now - in 2046, we'll be thinking back and talking over a beer and someone will say, yeah, BC lost to Guilford in 2006 but, I don't know, they had an ineligible player.  lol     I'm still hoping the NCAA will rule in GC's favor, but if they don't, they don't.  Admissions will learn from it and move on.

Your points are well taken about BC's losses in 2006.  The Eagles were favored both days and for whatever reason, didn't get it done.  I also agree, if BC played E&H 10 times (this year) you would probably win most of them and the same with Guilford.  We all have to admit, however, the odds have shifted the past few years and BC no longer assumes a win against at least 3 ODAC teams and I think that makes for more excitement and, certainly, a better championship race.   Next year should be great!

Again, good luck to the Generals in the playoffs.  I hope another ODAC team gets a bid, but realistically, I'm just not seeing it right now.   Peace

[hasanova]

Thanks for posting the story about GC.  I had not yet read my Greensboro News & Record today.  For what it's worth, I had earlier learned he was not only dismissed from the football team as soon as his ineligibility was discovered, he was also permanently dismissed from school for an Honor Code violation.

[Snakehandler]

Appeal, Appeal, Appeal

[Snakehandler]

Hey look-

appealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappeal


After you read this a liitle while it starts to look like

apple peal

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

The ruling gives the ODAC title and the league's automatic NCAA Division III playoff berth to Washington & Lee (5-1, 7-2). If the NCAA had awarded Bridgewater (3-2, 7-2) a forfeit, the Eagles could have tied for the title and would have received the NCAA bid because they defeated W&L.

So Kid, that means your game vs. CU this Sat doesn't count in ODAC standings?

First off, I didn't say the above.  I copied and pasted the story from the News-Record.

Secondly, the story does say "...the Eagles could have tied..." which makes me think the author realizes BC has another game this weekend against Catholic.

So what exactly is your point?

[hasanova]

Hey look-

appealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappealappeal


After you read this a liitle while it starts to look like

apple peal

Hey Snakehandler, I saw where a woman died from a snakebite at a church in Kentucky this past weekend.  Kentucky law says it's illegal to handle snakes during a religious service, but I guess they were doing it anyway.  According to a Bible verse, you're supposed to be able to handle poisonous serpents without being harmed if you're a true believer.  Personally, I've never been willing to test the validity of this verse, but I did once try some potato salad at a church homecoming in July that had not been properly refrigerated.  I know, I know, I live on the edge.

Do you believe the eligbility issue will be a turnover on appeal - apple or otherwise?    

[WLU78]

The ruling gives the ODAC title and the league's automatic NCAA Division III playoff berth to Washington & Lee (5-1, 7-2). If the NCAA had awarded Bridgewater (3-2, 7-2) a forfeit, the Eagles could have tied for the title and would have received the NCAA bid because they defeated W&L.

So Kid, that means your game vs. CU this Sat doesn't count in ODAC standings?

First off, I didn't say the above.  I copied and pasted the story from the News-Record.

Secondly, the story does say "...the Eagles could have tied..." which makes me think the author realizes BC has another game this weekend against Catholic.

So what exactly is your point?

First off, I didn't say the above.  I copied and pasted the story from the News-Record.

Are we a little tense today?

So what exactly is your point?

Sounds like the writer got a little ahead of him/herself.  The point is if you don't beat CU all the hoopla was for naught.

Lighten up a little!  Remember we are only a few months away from the country club sports when we really begin to dominate!!

[WLU78]

You guys are lucky I haven't figured out how to embed "The Swing" in my profile so it plays everytime you open the posts on the board.

[skoaltrain]

Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn. Boring.  Where's all the trash talk?

Now that was funny.  Skoal?  Beers Friday?  Dahlia?

JacketLawyer:  Sorry buddy! I'd love to but I got family coming in Friday as we are planning for a large Lobster Boil at SkoalTrain's House!  We will get together soon though.....Go Eagles!

[Forma80]

... On one hand, we lost to two teams we shouldn't have lost to...

miz - ?  I respectfully disagree.  I can't intelligently discuss what happened on Oct. 21, but Oct. 14 was a nice sunny day.  No key players were hurt and out of the line-up.  You were playing a good team with a winning record.  You didn't fumble multiple times on the 1-yard line.  It was 17-0 and 24-7 in the first half.  I was there.       

You guys deserved to win that day, no arguement here.  It is my opinion that BC is a better team and would (or should) beat Guilford on any given Saturday.  The fact that we didn't is a credit to Guilford for out-preparing, out-coaching, and out-playing Bridgewater on that day.  That said, I stand by my previous assertion that IMO we should not have lost that game..........but that is not to say you guys didn't deserve to win, because you did (deserve it). 

All this talk about "shouldn't have lost to" is a bit ridiculous. As was noted about, it wasn't as if one bogus play decided either of those games. The fact is, both teams line up against one another every Saturday, and the one with the most points on the scoreboard at the end is the winner.

But, if you want to take some of the logic that I've been reading to the next level then here it goes. It was said that because W and L beat EH and GC so bad that their wins were flukes against BC. Well, you could also say that because WandL beat GC and EH by so much, and those teams won so handily over BC, then BC's win over W and L was a fluke. I mean W and L was without 2 of it's 3 best players, and our 3 best running backs. On a day when the wind made it impossible to pass, BC was able to load up at the line of scrimmage and take advantage of a smaller line on both sides of the ball. W and L's game this year is speed and misdirection, neither of which were allowed as a result of our injuries or the wind.

I'm by no means saying, "W and L should've won that game," because they obviously were beaten, just as BC was beaten by GC and E and H. However, I am saying that W and L won 5 games in the ODAC this year, which no one else did. So we'll take our first class tickets to the playoffs.

Hopefully the General's will represent the ODAC well, and keep giving everyone something to talk about on here for weeks to come.