FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

By my count, there are soon to be 31 colleges and universities in NC with football (ASU, ECU, WCU, Davidson, Mars Hill, Lenoir-Rhyne, Catawba, Gardner-Webb, Elon, Guilford, Greensboro, Methodist, NC Wesleyan, UNC-CH, NCSU, Duke, WFU, WSSU, NCCU, Shaw, St. Augustine's, Chowan, UNCP, Brevard, Campbell, Elizabeth City, Fayetteville State, Johnson C. Smith, Livingstone, Wingate and NC A&T)!

How many of those are in the top 40 or 50 of their divisions?  Is WFU the only one (this year)?

No, I think there are more than WFU.  Appalachian is #1 in D-IAA and is the defending national champion.  NCCU is #4 and ECSU is #21 in DII entering the playoffs.  The point I'm trying to make is a few more of them might have greater success if the talent pool was channeled into about a dozen schools instead of 31.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

For those interested, here is a list of Division III schools by state...

PA   22
IL   21
OH   21
MA   19
WI   18
NY   17
MN   14
IA   10
VA   10
CA   9
IN   9
TX   9
MI   6
NJ   6
ME   5
CT   4
MD   4
NC   4
OR   3
TN   3
WA   3
KY   2
MO   2
MS   2
VT   2
AL   1
CO   1
DC   1
DE   1
GA   1
RI   1
WV   1

By my count, there are 18 states without a Division III school.

[Jacketlawyer]

So how are these schools able to reload with talent every year(seemingly). What are they doing differently? Or are those schools just in a prolonged very good cycle ?    

That's our little Hardy Boys mystery.  I'd like to know the answers, too.

[Rick Akins]

Matt: Nice list of d3 football schools by state . Louisiana College is an ASC member from LA, so maybe only 17 have no d3 football.

[hasanova]

For those interested, here is a list of Division III schools by state...

PA   22
IL   21
OH   21
MA   19
WI   18
NY   17
MN   14
IA   10
VA   10
CA   9
IN   9
TX   9
MI   6
NJ   6
ME   5
CT   4
MD   4
NC   4
OR   3
TN   3
WA   3
KY   2
MO   2
MS   2
VT   2
AL   1
CO   1
DC   1
DE   1
GA   1
RI   1
WV   1

By my count, there are 18 states without a Division III school.

Well, since DC is not a state and using your list as a guide, there are 19 states not listed.  I do agree, however, that there are 18 (see umhbcrufan16's note) states with no DIII football.  The 19 states not listed are:

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana (Louisiana College has a team), Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming.

[PA_wesleyfan]

For those interested, here is a list of Division III schools by state...

PA   22
IL   21
OH   21
MA   19
WI   18
NY   17
MN   14
IA   10
VA   10
CA   9
IN   9
TX   9
MI   6
NJ   6
ME   5
CT   4
MD   4
NC   4
OR   3
TN   3
WA   3
KY   2
MO   2
MS   2
VT   2
AL   1
CO   1
DC   1
DE   1
GA   1
RI   1
WV   1

By my count, there are 18 states without a Division III school.

Not only does Pa have 22 DIII programs, all of the State teaching schools i.e. Bloomsburg,Kutstown  etc are DII and then the IAA schools. I am not sure off hand all of them but there are a good number. And of course Penn St., Pitt and Temple such as it is. But that really dilutes the football pool here. 

[roocru]

I have posted a list below of the Texas Coleges that play football and their division.  The important part of the list to me is that the majority of Texas schools provide scholarships (24) and we still have some pretty good D3 teams (9).

There are 10 D1 schools, 5 D1A, 7 D2 and 2 NAIA teams.  I don't know of any other state (please correct if wrong) that supports as many D1 schools in particular or as many scholarship schools in general as Texas.  That does not count the number of Texas kids who defect to Oklahoma, or go to other out of state schools.  The talent pool in Texas HS football is very deep!!

School Name               Division
Baylor University                   D1
University of Houston   D1
University of North Texas   D1
Rice University                   D1
Southern Methodist U.    D1
Texas A&M University   D1
Texas Christian University     D1
Texas Tech University   D1
University of Texas at Austin   D1
University of Texas at El Paso   D1
   10

Prairie View A&M University   D1A
Sam Houston State University   D1A
Stephen F. Austin State U.   D1A
Texas Southern University   D1A
Texas State University   D1A
   5
Abilene Christian University   D2
Angelo State University   D2
Midwestern State University   D2
Tarleton State University   D2
Texas A&M U.-Commerce   D2
Texas A&M U.-Kingsville   D2
West Texas A&M University   D2
   7

SW Assemblies of God   NAIA
Texas College                   NAIA
   2

Austin College                   D3
East Texas Baptist University   D3
Hardin-Simmons University   D3
Howard Payne University   D3
U. of Mary Hardin-Baylor   D3
McMurry University                   D3
Sul Ross State University   D3
Texas Lutheran University   D3
Trinity University (Texas)   D3
   9


Total Schools   33
Total Scholarship Schools   24

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Matt: Nice list of d3 football schools by state . Louisiana College is an ASC member from LA, so maybe only 17 have no d3 football.

Ooo, I bet I saw LA as IA, seeing it's sandwiched between two IA schools on D3football.com list of Division III programs.

So take one away from the IA count.

[Ralph Turner]

There are 10 D1 schools, 5 D1A, 7 D2 and 3 NAIA teams.  I don't know of any other state (please correct if wrong) that supports as many D1 schools in particular or as many scholarship schools in general as Texas.  That does not count the number of Texas kids who defect to Oklahoma, or go to other out of state schools.  The talent pool in Texas HS football is very deep!!

School Name               Division
Baylor University                   D1
University of Houston   D1
University of North Texas   D1
Rice University                   D1
Southern Methodist U.    D1
Texas A&M University   D1
Texas Christian University     D1
Texas Tech University   D1
University of Texas at Austin   D1
University of Texas at El Paso   D1
   10

Prairie View A&M University   D1A
Sam Houston State University   D1A
Stephen F. Austin State U.   D1A
Texas Southern University   D1A
Texas State University   D1A
   5
Abilene Christian University   D2
Angelo State University   D2
Midwestern State University   D2
Tarleton State University   D2
Texas A&M U.-Commerce   D2
Texas A&M U.-Kingsville   D2
West Texas A&M University   D2
   7

Paul Quinn College                  NAIA
SW Assemblies of God   NAIA
Texas College                   NAIA
   3

Austin College                   D3
East Texas Baptist University   D3
Hardin-Simmons University   D3
Howard Payne University   D3
U. of Mary Hardin-Baylor   D3
McMurry University                   D3
Sul Ross State University   D3
Texas Lutheran University   D3
Trinity University (Texas)   D3
   9


Total Schools   34
Total Scholarship Schools   25

Paul Quinn is in Dallas and is not competing for the NAIA Championship.

Also exploring football is D1A UT-San Antonio.
Concordia-Austin (D3)  is exploring football when they move to their new campus.

[hasanova]

Just for the heck of it, I was wondering how many teams were in California (30 million citizens - or not - give or take a million or two lol).  I could identify only 21 football-playing 4-year colleges and universities in California - and 9 are DIII.  They are:  D1- UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State; D1-AA - Cal Poly, Cal State Sacramento, U. of San Diego (D1-AA non-scholarship); DII - UC-Davis, Humboldt State; DIII - Cal Lutheran, Chapman, Claremont McKenna-Harvey Mudd-Scripps Colleges, U. of La Verne, Menlo, Occidental, Pomona-Pitzer Colleges, U. of Redlands, Whittier.  Keep in mind, however, the state supported JC football programs in California are numerous AND good! 

[WLU78]

So how are these schools able to reload with talent every year(seemingly). What are they doing differently? Or are those schools just in a prolonged very good cycle ?     

That is the $64K question!  So far nobody has ventured a guess that I noticed.  While these are good lists, the answer remains evasive.  I think the stability of the staff, the admissions poliicies for athletes, and "awards" might have something to do with the equation. 

But then I have been known to make cynical posts on this matter.

[Snakehandler]

So how are these schools able to reload with talent every year(seemingly). What are they doing differently? Or are those schools just in a prolonged very good cycle ?     

That is the $64K question!  So far nobody has ventured a guess that I noticed.  While these are good lists, the answer remains evasive.  I think the stability of the staff, the admissions poliicies for athletes, and "awards" might have something to do with the equation. 

But then I have been known to make cynical posts on this matter.

When we went to Allience to see BC get waxed, my tailgate witnessed a group of at least thirty high schoolers in for a visit. This was a NCAA semifinal game. I'm sure the whole atmosphere made quite an impression on the kids. Of course as they passed our tailgate, I yelled "If you guys want to play in descent weather, come on down to Virginia to go to school." (It was about 10 degrees outside at the time.) And I haven't seen a recruit come to BC from Ohio, so I don't think they paid me much attention.
I'd be interested to see:
a) Mount Union's tuition and final financial package situation.
b) Does MU successfully recruit against D-II schools
c) Year in and year out how many transfers come in
d) How many football players are on the team and how many remain on the team from Freshman to Senior.

[quakes75]

Heres a little bit of ODAC news.

Congrats to Chris Barnette for making the Aztec Bowl and being the first since Jimmy Lamoure to go to the game from Guilford

www.guilford.edu/athletics/football

[hasanova]

Heres a little bit of ODAC news.

Congrats to Chris Barnette for making the Aztec Bowl and being the first since Jimmy Lamoure to go to the game from Guilford

www.guilford.edu/athletics/football

Cool!  Buenas suerte!

[ace]

Snakehandler,
Tuition is about 25000. I have 3 kids. All went to Ohio private schools. Th tuition at Mount is middle of the road. My child that went to Mount recieved the least of the 3 kids. He did have the lowest grades though. But he still graduated from High school with a 3.5, no slacker. He was 1 st team all state in High School. He lettered 3 years at Mount started 2. His financial aid package was not affected at all by this. I say this by comparison to his girlfriends package. Financially and grade wise she was in a similar situation.
Mount Union does successfully recruit against D2 schools because there is little competition in the area from D2 schools. I think there are only 2 D2 schools in the state. NAIA has a couple teams locally who they compete for.
Transfers make up VERY little of the roster at Mount. I would venture to say that they have an equal or lesser amount than most D3 schools.
I would guesstimate about 60 freshman a year start out and 18-25 finish as seniors. I would think that is a lot more starting ou. But remember: 1. Mount does not cut anyone. 2. As with any program by sophmore year most can read "the writing on the wall". 3. With the quality of incoming players it is easy to get replaced.
They don't cheat. They can't afford to. They don't need to. Everyone wants to be on a winning program.