FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[WLU78]

(pictorial evidence sucks!) 

Fauxtography nothing else works like it---------------Just ask Reuters!!!

[K-Mack]

Maybe some of you already knew this, but H-SC's quarterback Bobby Owens is now enrolled at Appalachian State.  I checked their site, and "Robert Alan" Owens is in fact a student there now (not playing football, as far as I know).

I guess it's Craig Warnement's team now.  Owens being gone sure does take away the "smoke and mirrors" aspect, although some might argue that hurt them.

      Anyone know what happened to Chris Bell? Just saw in the Mayberry Gazette (aka The Farmville Herald ) that H-S has a new D coordinator.

I heard he was "let go" by H-SC.  It's ashame ... he had that defense moving in the right direction (with a lot of young talent).  Someone had the be the scapegoat for nearly 30+ points given up a game.

     I hadn't heard that. I'm going to have to tighten up with my H-S sources. Spending too much time at my real job I guess. 
     Chris left H-S a few years ago and then came back with much fanfare so I was surprised he was gone. I agree that it seemed the D was on the right track. Too bad they couldn't have gotten Owens on the D side of the ball. I haven't checked the stats but if my memory is correct, the H-S D has always given up quite a few points in the Favret era. The O didn't score as much last year as in previous years. Maybe they should have fired the O Coord.?   
     I like Coach Favret personally and you certainly can't argue with his success (other than the Bridgewater thorn but BC has been a thorn to many) but I'm an old schooler that still believes that most of the time good D beats good O. It is also true that when you have a 4 and 6 year...all the naysayers (aka: alumni with checkbooks in hand and others) come out of the woodwork.
     The Tigers are going to be OK. The ship has taken on a little water but it is far from sinking.  8)

This is pretty true. (I know it's an old post also) ... H-SC has struggled on defense for a long, long while.

I don't know if a risk-taking style lends itself to good defense (if an offense goes for it a lot, or turns it over a lot, you can put a good defense in a lot of bad positions), but Favret's teams at Catholic could play defense ... so we know it's possible.

Honestly, I think it's it's just tough sledding in Va. anymore, as far as building a program with depth, now that CNU, Averett, Shenandoah and Bridgewater are siphoning all the talent that used to end up at R-MC, H-SC and E&H. I'm surprised, in a way, H-SC has been as good as they have been.

[K-Mack]

Bridgewater played King's in the playoffs a few years back.  They had a hell of a defense.  I remember it as the best D BC played against.  I recall we were fortunate to win the game.

I agree, pakownr97.  They had two All-American d-linemen that year, but I was equally as impressed with their linebackers.  Those were some big dudes!

In my humble (?) opinion, that was a Stagg Bowl-caliber defense they had. If that kick doesn't die infamously in the Jopson wind tunnel, who knows how far King's would have gone?

Waynesburg also gave Bridgewater a pretty good game in the early rounds one year. Sometimes the teams familiar with the playoffs do a lot of the winning, but the tournament usually spawns a pretty big handful of coulda-gone-either-way games.

[Pat Coleman]

Add Old Dominion, which will take players that used to filter down to D-III.

[Llamaguy]

Add Old Dominion, which will take players that used to filter down to D-III.

Absolutely! It will be interesting to see how CNU recruiting goes when ODU is able to give those 757 kids a chance at playing D1-AA ball without the admission standards of a W&M come 2008.

[Pat Coleman]

able to give those 757 kids a chance at playing D1-AA ball

Wow -- there's a lot more scholarships at I-AA than I realized.

[K-Mack]

That is the funniest set of stats I've seen in a long time!  W&L averaging 2930!  Where is Emory & Henry?  Those guys claim to have over 5000 at every home game.  Needless to say, I'm taking those numbers with a grain of salt.  What a joke!

E&H was 10th:
10.   Emory & Henry   6   24,357   4,059

     

Ahh, memories.  I remember before the 2005 season hearing about how Emory & Henry has one of the top attendances in the nation (at least in 2004, they did).  So we joked on here about it and said how we'd count how many were there when BC traveled down there in 2005.  We counted and took pictures and there were only 1,000-or-so fans (they always say about 4,000 per game).  The box score said there were around 1,700.

Funny they chose to be honest that game with their attendance, seeing for their other four home games in 2005 they averaged nearly 4,500 fans.

If I can find the picture we took, I'll repost it.  It's fun to revisit the inflated Emory & Henry attendance figures every year.

Honestly, I believe the averages for Bridgewater, Hampden-Sydney and Washington & Lee.  If anything, those three schools undershoot their attendance.  But Emory & Henry is just plain funny.

     I don't know how H-SC calculates their numbers but I suspect it is difficult to get an accurate number. They charge admission by the car as you enter the campus. There are only two ways to get on campus so that part would be easy enough to figure if you had someone counting at those two locations. Problem is, many people are there  before the entrances are manned. (students, early tailgaters, girlfriends, frat bimbos, well you get the idea  ) The area around the field is so spread out it is practically impossible to get an accurate head count. And the question comes up as to whether people in tailgating areas that never leave should be counted? Even though they technically can see the field.    8) 8)

Yeah,
I agree with this. Supposedly there were 14,000 at the 100th RMC/HSC game, which would make it the best-attended Division III game to date, that I know of, but there's no way to know how close or far off that count is because it's a wide open stadium, in a bowl, where people can pitch a blanket on the grass hill and catch the game, and can walk in from any direction.

That said, having played in suited up for that game, there was a mean crowd roar that I don't think I've heard at any other D3 game ever.

[K-Mack]

able to give those 757 kids a chance at playing D1-AA ball

Wow -- there's a lot more scholarships at I-AA than I realized.

(hopes no one really thought that's what 757 stood for)

I don't know.

In the best years of the old ODAC, E&H got kids from Tennessee, Guilford obviously did from N.C., R-MC used to supplement with kids from Pa., Md. and N.J.

CUA has always drawn from areas with big Catholic influences, i.e. Philly, N.J., N.Y., etc.

Even though, with the new Va. schools and Bridgewater recruiting Tidewater and No. Va. really well (and probably SW Va. too), you'd think R-MC and the like would need to bring in more Pa. and Md. kids to fit the bill, anecdotally, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Florida kids are popping up on ODAC rosters though.

Anyway, I haven't done any research on this in a year and a half, so not sure how valid my points still are ...

[Olinemom]

     I just read on DCRTV.com about Jim Ricca and pass on my condolences to John and his family.   You are in my thoughts and prayers.

     Alsky7, Skoal, Llama, Snakehandler--no, I haven't been sleeping.  Just working too hard.  Interterm from my side of the desk is no picnic.  And this year the wonderful administration gave us exactly 1 day between Interterm and Spring term where I have 4 courses with different preparations.  That makes 8 different preparations.  Very few on our campus have to do that.  Today was supposed to be the first day of baseball season.  And what do we have?  An ice storm.  It was to be my day to ride the team bus to MWC (U of MW, but to me it'll always be MWC), as the FAL--a new title for Baseball Mom.  Oh well, I suppose I will enjoy my day tomorrow grading papers as I look at the ice melt.  Noooo, I'll probably take a chance and SLEEP!!  Finally back on the boards.  I've missed reading the boards. 
     I was sorry to read about the Guilford incident and have written Hasa a private note because I am so late at even knowing about it.  I figure why get the newspaper.  There's no football in it.  How long is it til football season.  I HATE THE OFF-SEASON!!!! 
     Llama, do you think we could have a ittsy bittsy little tailgate at one of the double-header Saturday baseball games?  Maybe there's a Saturday when there's a home track meet and a home baseball double header?  At least think about it, ok?

[allsky7]

That is the funniest set of stats I've seen in a long time!  W&L averaging 2930!  Where is Emory & Henry?  Those guys claim to have over 5000 at every home game.  Needless to say, I'm taking those numbers with a grain of salt.  What a joke!

E&H was 10th:
10.   Emory & Henry   6   24,357   4,059

     

Ahh, memories.  I remember before the 2005 season hearing about how Emory & Henry has one of the top attendances in the nation (at least in 2004, they did).  So we joked on here about it and said how we'd count how many were there when BC traveled down there in 2005.  We counted and took pictures and there were only 1,000-or-so fans (they always say about 4,000 per game).  The box score said there were around 1,700.

Funny they chose to be honest that game with their attendance, seeing for their other four home games in 2005 they averaged nearly 4,500 fans.

If I can find the picture we took, I'll repost it.  It's fun to revisit the inflated Emory & Henry attendance figures every year.

Honestly, I believe the averages for Bridgewater, Hampden-Sydney and Washington & Lee.  If anything, those three schools undershoot their attendance.  But Emory & Henry is just plain funny.

     I don't know how H-SC calculates their numbers but I suspect it is difficult to get an accurate number. They charge admission by the car as you enter the campus. There are only two ways to get on campus so that part would be easy enough to figure if you had someone counting at those two locations. Problem is, many people are there  before the entrances are manned. (students, early tailgaters, girlfriends, frat bimbos, well you get the idea  ) The area around the field is so spread out it is practically impossible to get an accurate head count. And the question comes up as to whether people in tailgating areas that never leave should be counted? Even though they technically can see the field.    8) 8)

Yeah,
I agree with this. Supposedly there were 14,000 at the 100th RMC/HSC game, which would make it the best-attended Division III game to date, that I know of, but there's no way to know how close or far off that count is because it's a wide open stadium, in a bowl, where people can pitch a blanket on the grass hill and catch the game, and can walk in from any direction.

That said, having played in suited up for that game, there was a mean crowd roar that I don't think I've heard at any other D3 game ever.

     I was at that game too. A bunch of people. 14k....I don't know. Just too hard to know for sure.  Ah, the good ole days. Keith, I hope your Jackets can get back on track. As much as I love a good Tiger W over the Jackets, it's just not good for the rivalry for it to be so one sided.  How about a string of one point Tiger W's? I could live with that. 

[allsky7]

able to give those 757 kids a chance at playing D1-AA ball

Wow -- there's a lot more scholarships at I-AA than I realized.

(hopes no one really thought that's what 757 stood for)

I don't know.

In the best years of the old ODAC, E&H got kids from Tennessee, Guilford obviously did from N.C., R-MC used to supplement with kids from Pa., Md. and N.J.

CUA has always drawn from areas with big Catholic influences, i.e. Philly, N.J., N.Y., etc.

Even though, with the new Va. schools and Bridgewater recruiting Tidewater and No. Va. really well (and probably SW Va. too), you'd think R-MC and the like would need to bring in more Pa. and Md. kids to fit the bill, anecdotally, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Florida kids are popping up on ODAC rosters though.

Anyway, I haven't done any research on this in a year and a half, so not sure how valid my points still are ...

     At Maryville back in the mid 80's we had a bunch of guys from FL. More than any state except TN. GA was 3rd but I think a distant 3rd. Not many d3 options in FL is there?

[allsky7]

     I just read on DCRTV.com about Jim Ricca and pass on my condolences to John and his family.   You are in my thoughts and prayers.

     Alsky7, Skoal, Llama, Snakehandler--no, I haven't been sleeping.  Just working too hard.  Interterm from my side of the desk is no picnic.  And this year the wonderful administration gave us exactly 1 day between Interterm and Spring term where I have 4 courses with different preparations.  That makes 8 different preparations.  Very few on our campus have to do that.  Today was supposed to be the first day of baseball season.  And what do we have?  An ice storm.  It was to be my day to ride the team bus to MWC (U of MW, but to me it'll always be MWC), as the FAL--a new title for Baseball Mom.  Oh well, I suppose I will enjoy my day tomorrow grading papers as I look at the ice melt.  Noooo, I'll probably take a chance and SLEEP!!  Finally back on the boards.  I've missed reading the boards. 
     I was sorry to read about the Guilford incident and have written Hasa a private note because I am so late at even knowing about it.  I figure why get the newspaper.  There's no football in it.  How long is it til football season.  I HATE THE OFF-SEASON!!!! 
     Llama, do you think we could have a ittsy bittsy little tailgate at one of the double-header Saturday baseball games?  Maybe there's a Saturday when there's a home track meet and a home baseball double header?  At least think about it, ok?

     olinemom....glad to see that rumors of your demise were greatly exaggerated.  Good to have you back. A baseball tailgate sounds like a great idea to me. Mix in a little track. I can stop by and say hello to Coach Schrock. Uhg...I remember playing hardball at MC in the snow. That my friends is no fun.    They don't call them the boys of summer for nothing. 

[Jacketlawyer]

In the best years of the old ODAC, E&H got kids from Tennessee, Guilford obviously did from N.C., R-MC used to supplement with kids from Pa., Md. and NJ.

Seems to me I'm seeing more players from GA and FL on the R-M roster than ever before.

[WLU78]

In the best years of the old ODAC, E&H got kids from Tennessee, Guilford obviously did from N.C., R-MC used to supplement with kids from Pa., Md. and NJ.

Seems to me I'm seeing more players from GA and FL on the R-M roster than ever before.

Did you see the attendance numbers for LaGrange College in their first year?  Tell me there isn't a market for DIII football in GA!!

[skoaltrain]

    Llama, do you think we could have a ittsy bittsy little tailgate at one of the double-header Saturday baseball games?  Maybe there's a Saturday when there's a home track meet and a home baseball double header?  At least think about it, ok?

O-Line Mom!  Glad to hear you are still with us!  I think that is a Great Idea!  Baseball Tailgate....We could set up shop between the football field and the baseball field.  Just keep you eyes open for the Home Runs.

You name the date and SkoalTrain will be there!  Llama?  We can pull this off, right?