FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[allsky7]

Don Quixote request:

Anyone remember the Randolph-Macon/Hampden-Sydney football game televised on national TV back in the late '70s or early '80s?  Howard Cossell called it.

No, I'm not delusional. 8)

I need to know what year that was.

     Jacket....I have no memory of a H-S / R-M game being broadcast. I have an 05 program with a historical timeline of important Tiger football happenings. It has no mention of a televised H-S /R-M game. The JMU game is on it, the Salisbury St game is not. H-S beat then ranked #1 D3 JMU on regional TV in 1976 at Death Valley.  They were broadcast again, I think maybe 1979 ish against Salisbury State on regional TV. (again at Death Valley)
     Stokely Fultons son J is a former teammate and friend of mine. Matter of fact, talked with him Friday on the phone. I will give him a buzz. Was the game played at Death Valley or Day Field? I was in TN between 83 and 87 so if it happened then, It may have slipped under my radar screen. I'll see what I can find out.

[Jacketlawyer]

     Stokely Fultons son J is a former teammate and friend of mine. Matter of fact, talked with him Friday on the phone. I will give him a buzz. Was the game played at Death Valley or Day Field? I was in TN between 83 and 87 so if it happened then, It may have slipped under my radar screen. I'll see what I can find out.

Stokely Fulton was a man among men.  I was fortunate enough to see two games against the Tigers while Fulton was a coach, and I was certainly aware of him while in high school (since E.C. Glass usually provides H-S with a lot of football players).  I remember being saddened by his death in 1985.

If you can, ask him.  I'm pretty sure the game was at Death Valley, which is why I believe it was 1982--even years are always at Death Valley.

My next step is to try to get a copy, if you haven't already figured that out.  Hey, if you don't ask for it, you can't expect to get it. 8)

[allsky7]

     Stokely Fultons son J is a former teammate and friend of mine. Matter of fact, talked with him Friday on the phone. I will give him a buzz. Was the game played at Death Valley or Day Field? I was in TN between 83 and 87 so if it happened then, It may have slipped under my radar screen. I'll see what I can find out.

Stokely Fulton was a man among men.  I was fortunate enough to see two games against the Tigers while Fulton was a coach, and I was certainly aware of him while in high school (since E.C. Glass usually provides H-S with a lot of football players).  I remember being saddened by his death in 1985.

If you can, ask him.  I'm pretty sure the game was at Death Valley, which is why I believe it was 1982--even years are always at Death Valley.

My next step is to try to get a copy, if you haven't already figured that out.  Hey, if you don't ask for it, you can't expect to get it. 8)

     Just got off the phone with J. He doesn't remember either. He was at Clemson from 80-84 so he says it is possible he missed it as well. He is going to make a call to someone at H-S that has been there for a long time and see what he can find out.  I called my father as well. He has no memory either. Maybe we are all getting old and our memory banks don't function as well as they used to.  It is hard for me to believe that between the three of us, we could miss an event of this magnitude. 

[Jeremybozz]

My father is a 1967 Bridgewater graduate and he told me about those nationally televised ODAC games. I do think they were late 1970's/ early 1980's era games.
I was too young at that time to personally confirm that myself though.
I simply cannot remember back that far.

[hasanova]

My father is a 1967 Bridgewater graduate and he told me about those nationally televised ODAC games. I do think they were late 1970's/ early 1980's era games.
I was too young at that time to personally confirm that myself though.
I simply cannot remember back that far.

Thanks, Jeremybozz.  I don't have an exact recollection either and I am old enough to remember!  lol  My excuse is because my alma mater was playing NAIA ball at the time in the old Carolinas Conference.  Anyway, I gave you a + hit and got you back to nil. 

[WLU78]

I have confirmed from my HSC friend that in either 72 or 73 that Jim Lampley called the game from the sideline for ABC.  He reminds me that the Tigers went 36-4 during his career '70 to '74.  He says he was full of adult beverages and vaguely remebers it being against W&L or RMC.  He is working on verifying this.  In his words, "if you remember the 70's you weren't there."

[allsky7]

I have confirmed from my HSC friend that in either 72 or 73 that Jim Lampley called the game from the sideline for ABC.  He reminds me that the Tigers went 36-4 during his career '70 to '74.  He says he was full of adult beverages and vaguely remebers it being against W&L or RMC.  He is working on verifying this.  In his words, "if you remember the 70's you weren't there."

     The 1970 and 71 Tiger teams (along with the 77 team) were two of the greatest ever. The 1970 Tiger D posted 6 shutouts and only gave up 35 points all season. This included a controversial two point conversion (and 7 to 6 loss) in the Knute Rockne Bowl in Atlantic City against Montclair St. Game film later revealed that the zebra missed the call. 
Incidently, the only regular season loss for th Tigers in 70 was a 6 to 0 loss to Maryville (my alma mater)
     The 1971 Tiger D posted 5 shutouts and went 10 and 1. Their only loss to Bridgeport in the Knute Rockne Bowl by a score of 17 to 12.
     BTW 78....I was there in the 70's and I do remember them. Actually, probably better than I do the 80's, 90's, up to present. However, I was only six years old when the 70's arrived. 

[tigerfanalso]

Guys:

I was on the HSC team in 1976 that played Madison on TV. I remember (or at least I think I do) Coach Fulton telling me that game was the first HSC game to broadcast live. Several others have been tape delayed. ABC picked that game because Madison was ranked #1 and HSC was ranked #5. The Tigers prevailed 21-7.

[allsky7]

Guys:

I was on the HSC team in 1976 that played Madison on TV. I remember (or at least I think I do) Coach Fulton telling me that game was the first HSC game to broadcast live. Several others have been tape delayed. ABC picked that game because Madison was ranked #1 and HSC was ranked #5. The Tigers prevailed 21-7.

     Hey Tiger....you must have been hanging out with 78's friend in the 70's and not remember it.  Just messin with you. The score was 21 to 14. The game was the first regional live telecast of a D3 game.

[allsky7]

Guys:

I was on the HSC team in 1976 that played Madison on TV. I remember (or at least I think I do) Coach Fulton telling me that game was the first HSC game to broadcast live. Several others have been tape delayed. ABC picked that game because Madison was ranked #1 and HSC was ranked #5. The Tigers prevailed 21-7.

     Hey Tiger....you must have been hanging out with 78's friend in the 70's and not remember it.  Just messin with you. The score was 21 to 14. The game was the first regional live telecast of a D3 game.

CORRECTION

     It was the first regular season regional live broadcast of a D3 game. Sorry for the mistake.

[K-Mack]

     I also agree that most of the banter that takes place on here is in good clean fun. (Picking on W&L and in my case, mostly R-MC) It's kinda like picking on your sister when you were a kid. You love her but boy is it ever fun to push her buttons. 

Just to clarify, Allsky, are we using the Hampden-Sydney country definition of "pushing your sister's buttons?"

     Hey K-Mack...that's a pretty good comeback. You are going to have to work with Jacket on his comebacks to my Macon jabbing. 

We'll make it a top priority this year, right after the mysterious Nov. 9 kidnapping of Marty Favret and his safe return to the Farmville area Nov. 11.

(of course, the game plan will be in by then, so ...)

  P.S. If that really happens, I have nothing to do with it.

[K-Mack]

Whether you want to admit it or not, there is something to be said for some academic rigor in your undergraduate work.  Learning to read critically, write persuasively (spelling aside Hasa), formulate a thesis and defend it are tantamount to what the was intended by a liberal arts training.  Whether you continue to use those skills after your graduation is up to you, but there is value to mastering those skills beyond being a good person.

All that falls under the "working hard" aspect of what my dad was trying to get across.

A student can find easy courses or easy professors at any college or university (yes, including W&L).

I think there may be a misconception with schools with "high academic reputations."

Schools like W&L will just get high school students who performed really well in the classroom, were active in extracurricular activities, and are good standardized test takers.

Schools like BC will get high school students who performed really well and not so well in the classroom, were active and not active in extracurricular activities, and are good and not so good standardized test takers.

This may be difficult to grasp, but that may be the difference (academically) between a W&L and a BC.  A W&L won't have any kids who barely made it through their HS studies, or the students who couldn't (or didn't want to) be involved in school activities beyond the classroom, or the students who don't take standardized tests well.  A BC will have some of those kids.

But that doesn't affect W&L's and BC's quality of professors or difficulty of courses.  If you think that, you're suggesting a BC professor couldn't get a job at W&L or that W&L's Linear Algebra is more rigorous than BC's Linear Algebra.

Hats off to the BCs of the world that give kids another chance who, intentionally or not, faulted in an area or two.

I tend to agree with Barnhart more than WL78 here.

I'm a strong proponent of the 'what you get out of it is what you put into it' theory. There are a lot of people (myself included at times) who learned early how to beat the system, master the answers they want you to master by paying attention during lectures and completing your assignments. While those are also useful skills in the real world, along with being able to follow directions, it's not necessarily the same thing as being engaged in a topic and having a passion for learning. Furthermore, in college, there is certainly learning that goes on beyond the textbooks and tests, and outside the confines of academia.

In some sense, there are probably people at W&L and other more highly-regarded schools who are just getting by by beating the system, so to speak, and there are people who are at Bridgewater and other places who are fully engaged in the process of educating themselves and will be better off for it.

I disagree with Barnhart on the point that more highly-regarded schools have the same quality of faculty as other schools ... but we could also disagree on what makes a quality faculty. Good credentials or the ability to push students, or connect with them. We had a Harvard grad at R-MC in the English Dept., and he was really a prick about his class ... in the end though, I really appreciated him for pushing me, as I would have done whatever it took to get by. So by demanding a lot, I did a lot ... and the people who were just trying to coast through his class, he wasn't having that.

I'm guessing, generally speaking, there are more professors like that at highly-regarded schools than less-highly-regarded schools ... but there's more than one way to get through to students. Some teachers encourage freedom and exploration and challenging thought, not just gobs of busy work.

One other point that may have been lost the first time around. There are fields, journalism being one, in which your degree generally means very little. Now, if you go to Columbia or Missouri or Syracuse, chances are they pushed you harder or had more resources to better prepare you, and you may come out into the real world more qualified for that first job than a guy from Gulf Coast Community College.

But the bottom line is, especially after your first job in the field, they don't care whether you had a 3.4 GPA at Washington & Lee or earned a Master's at Columbia or did two years at Camden County College ... the person with the best clips and the strongest references (i.e. the person the interviewer believes is going to be the best journalist for the open position) is probably going to get the job.

So in that sense, it doesn't matter where you go as much as it matters what you got out of wherever it is you went.

[K-Mack]

I believe it was 1982--even years are always at Death Valley.

They are, aren't they?

We played much worse there in the years I can remember. All the games at Macon went pretty well, right up until the 53-21 game which happened to represent the last one I saw in person.

I thought this chart would show how things have gone better at Day Field, but it really just shows we kicked a lot more ass in the 90s, and have taken it on the chin bad since '03:

Results in Ashland
93 W 17-10 to clinch ODAC title
95 W 35-14
97 W 49-18 to clinch share of ODAC title
99 W 33-7
01 L 38-26
03 L 53-21
05 L 50-17

Results in Farmville area
94 L 24-10
96 W 20-10
98 W 45-42
00 W 26-17
02 L 7-0
04 L 50-16
06 L 46-21

[K-Mack]

Whoa, what the heck ... Have you H-SC guys ever heard of Shorty, The Movie. I assume yes. I'd never heard of this. Perhaps my larger D3 role is keeping me out of touch at home.

One Simple Wish. One Extraordinary Man.

Shorty is an inspirational documentary film about Walter "Shorty" Simms, a 55-year-old man with Down Syndrome, and the Hampden-Sydney Tigers football team's #1 fan.
This season in particular is very special to Shorty. His beloved Tiger football squad is poised to make the playoffs for the first time in 26 years, he is being inducted into the Hampden-Sydney College Athletic Hall-of-Fame and he is celebrating his birthday on the day of the final game of the regular season against the Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets - a 107-year rivalry known simply as "The Game".

The film's climax takes place on November 16th, 2002 at "The Game". The 108th meeting between the oldest archrivals in the South: Hampden-Sydney vs. Randolph-Macon. After weeks of rain the field is in barely playable muddy conditions. After three hard fought quarters, the game is knotted at a zero-zero tie going into the game's final fifteen minutes.

Will the Tigers beat the Yellow Jackets to make Shorty's birthday wish come true?

You had Shorty. We had Dickie Champ.

They always said we were more alike than we cared to admit.

Funny thing is, me and the crew skipped that game because of the rain. I wanted to go, but people didn't want to grill out in the rain or get mud on their Expeditions and Navigators. (rented?)

The DVD is only $9.98. I'm gonna order that joint just to support the rivalry.

[K-Mack]

I have confirmed from my HSC friend that in either 72 or 73 that Jim Lampley called the game from the sideline for ABC.  He reminds me that the Tigers went 36-4 during his career '70 to '74.  He says he was full of adult beverages and vaguely remebers it being against W&L or RMC.  He is working on verifying this.  In his words, "if you remember the 70's you weren't there."

     The 1970 and 71 Tiger teams (along with the 77 team) were two of the greatest ever. The 1970 Tiger D posted 6 shutouts and only gave up 35 points all season. This included a controversial two point conversion (and 7 to 6 loss) in the Knute Rockne Bowl in Atlantic City against Montclair St. Game film later revealed that the zebra missed the call. 
Incidently, the only regular season loss for th Tigers in 70 was a 6 to 0 loss to Maryville (my alma mater)
     The 1971 Tiger D posted 5 shutouts and went 10 and 1. Their only loss to Bridgeport in the Knute Rockne Bowl by a score of 17 to 12.
     BTW 78....I was there in the 70's and I do remember them. Actually, probably better than I do the 80's, 90's, up to present. However, I was only six years old when the 70's arrived. 

Great history lessons in this thread.

Basically, if D3 had formed in '69 instead of '73, we'd all have some Stagg Bowls to bragg about.

Macon smoked Bridgeport in the '69 Rockne Bowl, 47-28 or something.

All hail Howard Stevens (No. 26, I might add)