FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[K-Mack]

Hey Kid,

What's the latest on BC's fourth-string QB?

You can't take all this R-MC/H-SC chatter, can you?

Just imagine if they were both good at the same time. Heaven, my friends, heaven.

[K-Mack]

I think the H-SC rivalry has gotten a little less intense, but honestly, in some ways, its better (I'll explain one why it is).  I don't know if any of you were there, but the HSC-RMC game in 2003 (freshman year for me), HSC ran into the locker room through our warm-ups.  Our coaches that year had told us not to take any crap from them, so as they came back on the field, through our warm-ups again, all hell broke loose. 

I mean, everyone started fighting.  Coaches, refs, players.  To me at that point it was defending our honor, and, as a player that didn't play, quite fun.  Looking at it now, and at other similar incidents (Miami, FIU; Clemson, SC), it was a stupid move by both teams.  Although the rivalry is still strong, and I still won't hire an HSC grad or hang out with one  , I'm glad both coaches have tried to turn down the physical intensity off of the field between us. 

That was stupid. R-M got a starting senior lb ejected, got whipped 53-21 and Boone was fired in the off-season.

I was at that game. I have a vague memory of that now that you mention it, but I think I was a little slow getting over from the tailgate for kickoff so I didn't see the whole thing.

But I can tell you that it's nothing new. In '95, we met up in the same end zone, before there was a Brock Center at that end. No blows were thrown, but it was crazy heated. I knew I wasn't starting that day, so I went right to the front of the pack. The main guy I was jawing with was a guy who had stayed with my roommate and I the year before on a prospective visit, Vipperman was the name. He had picked H-SC over us.

That may be a better indication of the closeness of the rivalry than the fact we were jawing at each other.

There's a million R-MC/H-SC fight stories, you should find out about how the teams used to tear the goalposts down if they won on the road, til they started surrounding the goalposts with state police. The basketball game has its stories too, slashed tires on the H-SC team van one year after they won in Crenshaw. They poured grass killer in the shape of an HSC on our field in '95, I think ... idiots though, they ran out before they could finish the C.

Do the history, or maybe we really do need to get on that book, Jacket Lawyer. The old stories are great. There used to be an RMC contingent that would go down and try to paint the old War Eagle or whatever it was called. Or steal it.

The best R-MC story I heard from one of the old timers was one year some HSC kids came up to vandalize the campus, went through with it and were pretty thrilled with themselves until they returned to their car and found the engine dismantled.

Course, they probably tell that same story at H-SC, only flipped.

Back in the all-men days at R-MC too, all freshmen had to wear beanies first semester, but if they beat H-SC, they could take them off.

All that fight stuff does indicate that something heated is there, but that's really nothing to be proud of. Competitiveness is healthy, violence not so much. I know both administrations and parts of the student body have gone to great lengths over the years to bring positive benefits out of the rivalry, like the blood drive (whoever donates more ... gets something, a point in the week-long competition, I forget)

Of course, some of us still prefer the grass-killing and engine dismantling. And 49-18 wins.

     K-Mack...as I understand it,that eagle was donated by an H-S alum and came from a rail station  in Philly. That's your stomping grounds isn't it? Not sure who's bright idea it was to put it right next to the football field.  I would be more than happy to offer a more appropriate place.  I remember it being painted many times over the years. I think they finally coated it with something so they didn't have to sand blast the thing every year.  It was rapidly heading toward nothingness. 
     They tried doing the blood drive/intramural football/Tigers vs Jackets thing to try to get the focus away from all the other stuff. Again, as I understand it, they quit doing the intramural football game because all it did was give everybody an extra 3 or 4 hours to get loaded. (as if they needed assistance)
     There have been so many stories over the years. I just don't remember all this stuff being done years ago with malice. They were just pranks. The world has changed. We live in such a litigious world that everyones "pucker factor" is so much higher than it used to be. As far as I know, nobody was ever seriously hurt as a result of these pranks.  Obviously, now that we are older, wiser, and more mature adults,  8) we can't condone this type of negative behavior. On the other hand, I doubt very seriously, that a 20 year old college student gives a flip about what I think. 

Funny, as always.

I get a kick out of the pranks, but I guess there's a fine line between 'good, clean fun' and causing real harm.

Tell me something you know.

JL, maybe we can go halves on the book. PM me.

Some of our best sources have passed on, of course, but there has definitely been a ton written, if we just know where to look. (and we do!)

[allsky7]

I think the H-SC rivalry has gotten a little less intense, but honestly, in some ways, its better (I'll explain one why it is).  I don't know if any of you were there, but the HSC-RMC game in 2003 (freshman year for me), HSC ran into the locker room through our warm-ups.  Our coaches that year had told us not to take any crap from them, so as they came back on the field, through our warm-ups again, all hell broke loose. 

I mean, everyone started fighting.  Coaches, refs, players.  To me at that point it was defending our honor, and, as a player that didn't play, quite fun.  Looking at it now, and at other similar incidents (Miami, FIU; Clemson, SC), it was a stupid move by both teams.  Although the rivalry is still strong, and I still won't hire an HSC grad or hang out with one  , I'm glad both coaches have tried to turn down the physical intensity off of the field between us. 

That was stupid. R-M got a starting senior lb ejected, got whipped 53-21 and Boone was fired in the off-season.

I was at that game. I have a vague memory of that now that you mention it, but I think I was a little slow getting over from the tailgate for kickoff so I didn't see the whole thing.

But I can tell you that it's nothing new. In '95, we met up in the same end zone, before there was a Brock Center at that end. No blows were thrown, but it was crazy heated. I knew I wasn't starting that day, so I went right to the front of the pack. The main guy I was jawing with was a guy who had stayed with my roommate and I the year before on a prospective visit, Vipperman was the name. He had picked H-SC over us.

That may be a better indication of the closeness of the rivalry than the fact we were jawing at each other.

There's a million R-MC/H-SC fight stories, you should find out about how the teams used to tear the goalposts down if they won on the road, til they started surrounding the goalposts with state police. The basketball game has its stories too, slashed tires on the H-SC team van one year after they won in Crenshaw. They poured grass killer in the shape of an HSC on our field in '95, I think ... idiots though, they ran out before they could finish the C.

Do the history, or maybe we really do need to get on that book, Jacket Lawyer. The old stories are great. There used to be an RMC contingent that would go down and try to paint the old War Eagle or whatever it was called. Or steal it.

The best R-MC story I heard from one of the old timers was one year some HSC kids came up to vandalize the campus, went through with it and were pretty thrilled with themselves until they returned to their car and found the engine dismantled.

Course, they probably tell that same story at H-SC, only flipped.

Back in the all-men days at R-MC too, all freshmen had to wear beanies first semester, but if they beat H-SC, they could take them off.

All that fight stuff does indicate that something heated is there, but that's really nothing to be proud of. Competitiveness is healthy, violence not so much. I know both administrations and parts of the student body have gone to great lengths over the years to bring positive benefits out of the rivalry, like the blood drive (whoever donates more ... gets something, a point in the week-long competition, I forget)

Of course, some of us still prefer the grass-killing and engine dismantling. And 49-18 wins.

     K-Mack...as I understand it,that eagle was donated by an H-S alum and came from a rail station  in Philly. That's your stomping grounds isn't it? Not sure who's bright idea it was to put it right next to the football field.  I would be more than happy to offer a more appropriate place.  I remember it being painted many times over the years. I think they finally coated it with something so they didn't have to sand blast the thing every year.  It was rapidly heading toward nothingness. 
     They tried doing the blood drive/intramural football/Tigers vs Jackets thing to try to get the focus away from all the other stuff. Again, as I understand it, they quit doing the intramural football game because all it did was give everybody an extra 3 or 4 hours to get loaded. (as if they needed assistance)
     There have been so many stories over the years. I just don't remember all this stuff being done years ago with malice. They were just pranks. The world has changed. We live in such a litigious world that everyones "pucker factor" is so much higher than it used to be. As far as I know, nobody was ever seriously hurt as a result of these pranks.  Obviously, now that we are older, wiser, and more mature adults,  8) we can't condone this type of negative behavior. On the other hand, I doubt very seriously, that a 20 year old college student gives a flip about what I think. 

Funny, as always.

I get a kick out of the pranks, but I guess there's a fine line between 'good, clean fun' and causing real harm.

Tell me something you know.

JL, maybe we can go halves on the book. PM me.

Some of our best sources have passed on, of course, but there has definitely been a ton written, if we just know where to look. (and we do!)

     Jacket/K-Mack,

     You are right. Many of the old timers HAVE passed on. If you are serious about this book, you need to talk to my father and Lou Wacker. Don't forget, Coach Wacker was at H-S for over 20 years before he went to E&H. I have access to contact info on both of these gentlemen.  8)

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Hey Kid,

What's the latest on BC's fourth-string QB?

You can't take all this R-MC/H-SC chatter, can you?

Just imagine if they were both good at the same time. Heaven, my friends, heaven.

The offseason is the perfect time to talk H-SC/R-MC. Not much to discuss between August and December for the Tigers and Jackets.

Kidding, of course.  I sure hope it's another interesting ODAC season in 2007.  It was fun until the last week!

[fallguy]

RMC going wrong direction compare last three years to the previous.
last three 7-23 vs 14-16 twice the amound of losses
the cumilitive scores in the game
last three RMC 54-hsc 146 vs rmc 47- hsc 98
lossing by twice as much.RMC neads a change before the game
returns to its glory.

[Jacketlawyer]

     Jacket/K-Mack,

     You are right. Many of the old timers HAVE passed on. If you are serious about this book, you need to talk to my father and Lou Wacker. Don't forget, Coach Wacker was at H-S for over 20 years before he went to E&H. I have access to contact info on both of these gentlemen.  8)

Allsky, you are correct.  It would be a duty and an honor, rather than a "want."

I need a copy of that '94 H-S media guide that had all the scores up until '93.  Even if to borrow it for a few minutes to copy it.  I bought the guide for that purpose at that game, but I've misplaced it.

[allsky7]

     Jacket/K-Mack,

     You are right. Many of the old timers HAVE passed on. If you are serious about this book, you need to talk to my father and Lou Wacker. Don't forget, Coach Wacker was at H-S for over 20 years before he went to E&H. I have access to contact info on both of these gentlemen.  8)

Allsky, you are correct.  It would be a duty and an honor, rather than a "want."

I need a copy of that '94 H-S media guide that had all the scores up until '93.  Even if to borrow it for a few minutes to copy it.  I bought the guide for that purpose at that game, but I've misplaced it.

     I don't have a hard copy of that one but here is a link to the scores. Thank Pat on this one. I had never seen this before a week or so back when he showed me the way.

http://www2.hsc.edu/athletics/football/2006/mediaguide/at1800s.html   

[Jacketlawyer]

     I don't have a hard copy of that one but here is a link to the scores. Thank Pat on this one. I had never seen this before a week or so back when he showed me the way.

http://www2.hsc.edu/athletics/football/2006/mediaguide/at1800s.html   

Thanks again, Allsky, I'd forgotten that link.  Now I've got the scores.  But still need dates and locations (some of the earlier games were actually played in Petersburg).

When I started researching this project back in 1992-1993, I spent a lot of time going through microfilm and microfische.   Internet is pretty amazing.

However, all dates, scores, and locations will have to be validated!!   So back to the library.

[Jacketlawyer]

The offseason is the perfect time to talk H-SC/R-MC. Not much to discuss between August and December for the Tigers and Jackets.

Kidding, of course.  I sure hope it's another interesting ODAC season in 2007.  It was fun until the last week!

Kid, your web site looks good as usual.  I check it far more than you may think!!  Should be a good year for the Eagles.  Noticed a couple of EC Glass kids on your roster. 8)

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

The offseason is the perfect time to talk H-SC/R-MC. Not much to discuss between August and December for the Tigers and Jackets.

Kidding, of course.  I sure hope it's another interesting ODAC season in 2007.  It was fun until the last week!

Kid, your web site looks good as usual.  I check it far more than you may think!!  Should be a good year for the Eagles.  Noticed a couple of EC Glass kids on your roster. 8)

Thanks!  I've been super lazy with the archives section.  I have game-by-game stats back to 1998, and results back to 1995, and then started adding in results and cumulative stats from the 80s (and was going to do that from 1980 to 1994) but I stopped.  It takes quite a bit of time to compile those stats when looking at gbg stat sheets from the 80s!!  I'll get back to it eventually.

[Ralph Turner]

Here is the press release announcing the formal investigation by Lynchburg College (ODAC) to add football.

Lynchburg College from the News & Advance, Lynchburg, VA.

...Some of the startup costs would include facilities, equipment and travel expenses.

The task force's goal is to prepare a non-binding recommendation for the Board of Trustees' meeting on May 18 [,2007].



"It's still early," Arnold said. "It's just a feasibility study. We are just looking at the possibility of adding football. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds."...

News & Advance archives from May 2007.

From my review of the Lynchburg News and Advance, I have not found the results of the Lynchburg Board of Trustees' decision concerning football.

Has anyone heard of a decision?

Has anyone heard of the decision today? (I didn't want the question to get lost!)

[pakownr97]

Hey Kid,

What's the latest on BC's fourth-string QB?

You can't take all this R-MC/H-SC chatter, can you?

Just imagine if they were both good at the same time. Heaven, my friends, heaven.

The offseason is the perfect time to talk H-SC/R-MC. Not much to discuss between August and December for the Tigers and Jackets.

Kidding, of course.  I sure hope it's another interesting ODAC season in 2007.  It was fun until the last week!

Kid,

It was actually weeks six and seven that were not fun to me!!  But in truth, the teams that played best on the field those two Saturdays won.  Here's to a return to BC ODAC dominance in 2007.  Not because the other teams fall back, but because all ODAC teams rise this year, and BC stills dominates.

Is it September yet?

GET THE GRILL READY LLAMA!!!

Do I smell chicken?

[pakownr97]

Hey Kid,

What's the latest on BC's fourth-string QB?

You can't take all this R-MC/H-SC chatter, can you?

Just imagine if they were both good at the same time. Heaven, my friends, heaven.

Just trying to get some the Bridgewater Brethren back in action, K-Mack.  Kid has broken away from his newlywed bliss to post a few, but the rest of the Eagles crowd is AWOL for the summer.  Do llamas need more food in summer?  Snakehandler must be stuck in the snakepit.  XBCDad is spending way to much time with the Mennonites.  Olinemom is either visiting France, or she's planning to feed brownies to every D3 football team in America.  Skoaltrain must be working on "Lil Skoal 3" or Copenhagen or Happy Days or whatever he's gonna call his next kin.  Rugbyguy must have found a 55 gallon drum of peanut butter for his doggie.  Religion Major must be visiting the Holy Land trying to translate the original Hebrew script for himself, ala Reggie White.  BC Photos is still developing shots from 2006 to see if Guilford or EHC had too many players on the field, or some other reason we can have those results reversed.

So, in the meantime, K-Mack, jacketlawyer, yellowjacket and Allsky, it looks like this is your board for the summer...but come September...WE'LL BE BA-ACK!!!

Just funnin' with everyone.

Hope the summer is going well for all ODAC posters.  Even the Ralphie guy from Texas who is not really an ODAC dude, but is really interested in Lynchburg for some reason.  Send him a street map, Skoalman!

GO BC!!!

[pakownr97]

Here is the press release announcing the formal investigation by Lynchburg College (ODAC) to add football.

Lynchburg College from the News & Advance, Lynchburg, VA.

...Some of the startup costs would include facilities, equipment and travel expenses.

The task force's goal is to prepare a non-binding recommendation for the Board of Trustees' meeting on May 18 [,2007].



"It's still early," Arnold said. "It's just a feasibility study. We are just looking at the possibility of adding football. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds."...

News & Advance archives from May 2007.

From my review of the Lynchburg News and Advance, I have not found the results of the Lynchburg Board of Trustees' decision concerning football.

Has anyone heard of a decision?

Has anyone heard of the decision today? (I didn't want the question to get lost!)

Ralph,

Just kidding you with the prior post.  I am curious about ANY ODAC team, including Lynchburg College adding football, too.  I live in MD so I will be the last to know.  (I know, a lot of help I am, huh?)  Skoaltrain lives in Lynchburg, I think maybe some other Stone Station crew also.  Hopefully, one of them will be able to give us an update.  Unless they are still hibernating for the summer.

Your insight as a D3 guru (I hope Pat Coleman doesn't own the copyright to that term) is always appreciated on this board.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Just trying to get some the Bridgewater Brethren back in action, K-Mack.  Kid has broken away from his newlywed bliss to post a few, but the rest of the Eagles crowd is AWOL for the summer.  Do llamas need more food in summer?  Snakehandler must be stuck in the snakepit.  XBCDad is spending way to much time with the Mennonites.  Olinemom is either visiting France, or she's planning to feed brownies to every D3 football team in America.  Skoaltrain must be working on "Lil Skoal 3" or Copenhagen or Happy Days or whatever he's gonna call his next kin.  Rugbyguy must have found a 55 gallon drum of peanut butter for his doggie.  Religion Major must be visiting the Holy Land trying to translate the original Hebrew script for himself, ala Reggie White.  BC Photos is still developing shots from 2006 to see if Guilford or EHC had too many players on the field, or some other reason we can have those results reversed.

... wow.  You had me in tears while reading this.  You have my vote for post of the offseason!  Well, you may have to be second behind this K-Mack statement...

[...] Lastly (for now), your [WLU78's] arrogant attitude toward the academic quality of the rest of the ODAC stinks. You sound like a 7th grader bragging about how he can beat up the 6th graders.

Don't make me get an 8th grader from the NESCAC board to come over here, squat, and take a healthy dump on that Washington & Lee degree.

I wet my pants twice after that one.