FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

I think - if three teams finish in a tie at 5-1 (A beats B and B beats C and C beats A), then the team with the longest playoff drought gets to go.  I'm not sure about W&L and RMC, but HSC went last year.  Again, I'm not sure, but I think it would be W&L.

[HSCTiger74]

I think - if three teams finish in a tie at 5-1 (A beats B and B beats C and C beats A), then the team with the longest playoff drought gets to go.  I'm not sure about W&L and RMC, but HSC went last year.  Again, I'm not sure, but I think it would be W&L.

If this is the determining factor then W&L would definitely go.  H-SC went last season, as you said, and R-MC went in 2008 after their upset win in The Game.

[Ryan Tipps]

The official tie-breaking procedures (including three-team) can be found here on the ODAC website.

The third step before going to the Rose Bowl rule is a point-differential system, which is based on the tied teams' results against the whole of the conference. If that weeds out two of the teams in a three-way tie, then head-to-head results apply.

I've seen the math. It's complicated but it works!

[abnrgr]

Send the one who can win....that's my 3 cents

[rmc1982]

Send the one who can win....that's my 3 cents

I totally agree! But "who can win" can be an opinion at best-I'm sure the W&L people think they can,the Tigers think they can we(R-MC) think we can-WHO decides???I really don't think that the one with the longest drought is really fair,either.....I looked on the ODAC website and couldn't find it Ryan-thanks! ....but I was wondering what the "mathmaticals" were......whatever happens,happens,I guess...... .........but this may be a moot point,as the Gennies AND the Tigers  BOTH hold their own destiny!!

[Jacketlawyer]

0-10. Not a good thing. GC-Q needs to do something but not sure what. You got to ask why a college football team gets (historically) shelled year end and year out. From about 2000-2004 they had coordinators that were 1 to 2 years removed from playing. Problematic to say the least having players coaching players. Past 6-4 seasons now seem like national championship runs in comparision

Facilities are now top notch. Coaching seems seasoned but the last head coach was a stud but did not have half the tools they have now. So what is it?

They are looking at about 70 points being laid on them this week with HSC coming in. HSC from memory has never held back on GC-Q. CU is the only possibility but even with them losing they are laying points on people. Hurts the conference for pool B and C bids.  Well I am not sure what either means but sounds like wild cards.

Depressing for all concerned.

Well, abnrgr, the facilitites are there.  Other than a fieldhouse adjacent to the stadium, I'm not sure what else the alumni and other donors can provide.  The real problem seems to be with player retention ... and that's not with the overall school ... it seems to be specific to the football team.  Overall student retention is about 87%, but it's clearly not there with the football program.  If GCQ brings in 50-60 kids in August, then there's a big disconnect with the 5-8 fourth year players on the field on Senior Day in November.  You cannot consistently win with freshman and sophomores when a school like HSC is fielding a mature team, year in and year out, with 25 or more seniors.

This week's game with Sydney is on the road in Farmville.  After that, we have Catholic for Homecoming on the 6th and then E&H away on the 13th.

Well, you can have all the facilities you want, if your administration isn't on board, you're not going to have much of a program.  Problems like these always start at the top.

And who knows?  Maybe you guys will sneak up on somebody like you did to us last year.

[waspermike]

I think - if three teams finish in a tie at 5-1 (A beats B and B beats C and C beats A), then the team with the longest playoff drought gets to go.  I'm not sure about W&L and RMC, but HSC went last year.  Again, I'm not sure, but I think it would be W&L.

Hasa, I have lost your e-mail addresses. If you have mine, could you e-mail me at work or at home with yours? Thanks - WM

[hasanova]

I think - if three teams finish in a tie at 5-1 (A beats B and B beats C and C beats A), then the team with the longest playoff drought gets to go.  I'm not sure about W&L and RMC, but HSC went last year.  Again, I'm not sure, but I think it would be W&L.

Hasa, I have lost your e-mail addresses. If you have mine, could you e-mail me at work or at home with yours? Thanks - WM

Sure.  Also, look at the icons on the LH side of this message.  One is my profile, which includes my email, and another is a direct link to my email.

[abnrgr]

Hasa
Wasper is trying pump your vast football archived brain for data. True Wasp tactic for gaining vauable blowback Intel. 

[hasanova]

Hasa
Wasper is trying pump your vast football archived brain for data. True Wasp tactic for gaining vauable blowback Intel. 

Hmmm.  "Vast archived brain for data."  Is that another way of euphemistically saying I'm old?!  lol  Sounds like counter intelligence to me.  Jason Bourne had Treadstone ... with Guilford's 2010 season, it's been more like an oily version of Quaker State "Dreadstone"!

[abnrgr]

Dreadstone!! LOL

[hasanova]

Dreadstone!! LOL

Trust me, this season makes you think about jumping off a building into the East River!  Will the Quakes resurface another day? 

[hasanova]

Hasa
Wasper is trying pump your vast football archived brain for data. True Wasp tactic for gaining vauable blowback Intel. 

Wasper already knows the Nov. 13 game in Emory is for "all the marbles."  He sent me an email as such.  The bye-week Wasps are already in the barn with an 0-5 ODAC mark and the Quakes are entering this weekend's CUA game with an 0-4 ledger.  Hopefully, the homecoming spirit will spur the boys to their first ODAC win before we travel to E&H!

[algernon]

Current Standings:
W&L  5-0 (6-2)
HSC   4-0 (8-0)
RMC  3-1 (7-1)
BC    2-2 (6-2 ... now eliminated from NCAA tournament)

This Saturday:
BC @ RMC
HSC @ W&L

Outcomes of various scenarios:
W&L defeats HSC:  W&L wins conference title and gains AQ.  HSC could still get a Pool C bid with a win the following week against RMC to finish 9-1.  However, RMC could get a Pool C bid if they defeat Bridgewater this week and then win the HSC/RMC game to finish their season at 9-1.

HSC defeats W&L and BC defeats RMC:
HSC would win the conference title and gain the AQ under this scenario, regardless of who wins the HSC/RMC game the following week, since an RMC victory next week would only create a tie between HSC and W&L at 5-1, but leave the Yellow Jackets at 4-2, giving HSC the head-to-head tie-breaker with W&L.  Neither RMC (2+ losses) nor W&L (3+ losses) would get a Pool C bid.

HSC defeats W&L and RMC defeats BC:  
a) HSC wins the ODAC title and gains the AQ with a win the following week against RMC.  Neither RMC (2 losses) nor W&L (3+ losses) would get a Pool C bid.
b) If RMC defeats HSC the following week, there'd be a 3-way tie at 5-1 between W&L, HSC, and RMC.  Further, there'd be a 3-way tie at 1-1 in the head-to-head tie-breaker.  The next ODAC football tie-breaker this year is point differential in the games between the 3 teams.  W&L had a 14-point win over RMC, so they are at an advantage at this point.  However, the Tigers could defeat W&L by 10 and lose to RMC by a field goal and win the AQ.  Alternatively, the Tigers could defeat W&L by 10 and lose to RMC by 21 points .... and the Yellow Jackets would thereby win the AQ.  

My take:
--- Either W&L or HSC will likely get the AQ.  RMC's chances are very long-shot.
--- HSC gets the AQ only if they win in Lexington this weekend, but W&L could still go, even if they lose this weekend, if RMC wins out ... defeating both BC and HSC, depending upon games scores.
--- W&L has no shot at a Pool C bid.  A loss to HSC would be their 3rd.
--- RMC has to win out to have a shot at a Pool C bid.
--- If HSC doesn't win the AQ, they have to defeat RMC to have a shot at a Pool C bid.

[hasanova]

algernon - Thanks for your thoughtful post.  The last two weeks should be interesting!  +1